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Spinning off from the shopping thread: given the prevalence of fakes these days, I'm starting up a list of known cassette releases and what kind of tapes they originally came on!

The Rules
1. Any official release is OK to list, whether it's a fake or not. Just mark it with your confidence level.
2. Duplicate entries are OK since we are cataloguing what's out there. I'll just mark exact duplicates with an "x2" or something.
3. Don't list one-of-a-kind items like studio working tapes or live bootlegs, since there's no point.
4. Confidence levels should be marked roughly as follows:
High: Anything you personally bought directly from the artists; tapes bought from the most reputable Japanese stores (Third Stage, Puresound, Flower Record); tapes obtained new in shrinkwrap; tapes that have something about them that makes counterfeiting difficult.
Medium: Tapes that are not "high-value targets" for counterfeiting, and appear legitimate on their face.
Low: "High-value targets"; anything japametal or sold alongside japametal; anything released before 1994.
Fake: Anything that is counterfeit, or almost certainly so; anything from a notorious seller of fakes.
You can bump the confidence level up (or down) based on your own judgement. We're all presumably old hands at this by now.

Leave fields blank rather than writing "None", except in the case of an untitled release which you should mark in some sensible way.

BandReleaseTape TypeVariantPressingLyricsDetailsConfidenceSourceContributor
3P マヨネーズThe Monkey Punk'N'Roll IdolTDK AE30Photo sheet included; track list on reverse of coverMediumMercari (さきっぺ)flowersofnight
AFTER IMAGE~2曲入りDEMO~Denon DX1/46Sheet2nd demo, sometimes called just "After Image"HighFLOWER RECORDCantavanda
AFTER IMAGE~限定100本無料配布DEMO~TDK AE20
100​
Sheet1st demo, sometimes called just "After Image" My copy signedHighPersonal saleCantavanda
AMADEUSPremium Demonstration TapePure black tapeWith label and serial number200-300Inside of J-CardHighRarezhutCantavanda
Arc:g:NoelMöbius Ring・唐紅ノ人形AxiaThe cover is smaller than the case sizeHandwritten stickers on the tape indicating songsHighMbokMadmoiselle_silk
Arc:g:Noel乱反射Black tape with red stickerLyrics on small cardComes with a card with label contact informationHighMbokMadmoiselle_silk
Arc:g:Noel盲目ノカナリア・ピエロSony HFHandwritten stickers on the tape indicating songsHighMbokMadmoiselle_silk
CAINS:FEELLieAXIA A1 10Pasted to reverse of coverLowYJflowersofnight
C'est La vie(untitled)TDK AD46SheetMediumflowersofnight
C'est La vie[LOST]AXIA A1 120SheetCredits on reverse of coverMediumflowersofnight
Datura(untitled)Sony HF20 Pure GammaSheetMediumYJflowersofnight
Da'vid/使徒:aLSANKAKU NO TSUKIPure pink tape
1000​
Pink sheetHighflowersofnight
Da'vid/使徒:aLクッキーチェアPure orange tape1st press
2000​
Cover folds outHighflowersofnight
DEAD SILENCEDEAD SILENCEAXIA A1 30SheetPhoto of Hinako on reverse of coverHighYJflowersofnight
DIE RAUM KUNSTDIE RAUM KUNST ITDK AE20SheetTrack list on reverse of coverMediumflowersofnight
dolls despair~夢遊の宴~TDK AE20MediumYJCantavanda
ÉrÉrSony CDix IICover folds outHighYJflowersofnight
ÉrEx Orient Lux IVictor RZ 60Sheet wrapped around outside of tapeCover on photographic stock; tracklist on reverseHighYJflowersofnight
ÉrsefiraMaxell UDI 46Sheet wrapped around outside of tapeCover on photographic stock; photos of members on reverseHighYJflowersofnight
E-TYP(untitled)AXIA A1 10SheetIncomplete copy? No cover, only 2 tracks.Lowflowersofnight
GigaslaveGigaslave (ノイローゼ/Deep red dance)TDK AE46Insert, thin paper stockMediumYJLaurence02
GigaslaveSensual colorMaxell CD’s 2 20Lyrics on fold-out sleeveMediumYJLaurence02
Girl'eDemoLX 10Red coverTrack list on reverse of cover. Both sides have a white label reading "GIRL'E"LowYJflowersofnight
Girl'eDemoDenon RS 20Pink coverTrack list on reverse of coverLowYJflowersofnight
KalmiaKalmiaSony HF30No sheetCredits on reverse of coverMediumYJMadmoiselle_silk
KARMA(untitled)Sony HF10Track list on reverse of coverMediumflowersofnight
KARMA過去~未来 (ウルト~スクルト)Konica XR-I 60Track list on reverse of coverMediumMercariflowersofnight
Kilhi+IceNew MaterialSony HF20White coverSheetHighMadmoiselle_silk
Klein Kaiserfreeza Message TapeSony HF10NoneMediumAdumaCantavanda
Klein Kaiserneo classical IPure black tapeInterior of jacketPhotos of members on reverse of jacketHighflowersofnight
Klein Kaiser解放の瞬間AXIA A1 10Tape has custom label with serial number. My copy #195.Highflowersofnight
Klein Kaiser解放の瞬間AXIA A1 10NoneTape has custom label with serial number. My copy #096.HighFLOWER RECORDCantavanda
Kneuklid Romance(untitled)TDK AE10
10​
First demo distributed at first live. Almost certainly fakeFakeYJflowersofnight
Kneuklid Romanceニュークリッド・ロマンス 3ガツ4カ メグロ・ロクメイカンTDK AE10LowYJflowersofnight
Kuroageha (黒蝪蝶)SAD SONGMaxell UR 10This tape is obviously photocopied and seems to contain fairly recent tape stock.FakeMercariLaurence02
Kuroageha (黒蝪蝶)仮面遊戯Maxell UR 46Black J-card (glossy)
1000​
Insert, dark-brown/black paperI own two copies – I was unsure if these copies were authentic or not due to the bad sound quality but the band’s second drummer, as well as the pro-printed inlays, assured me that they probably are OK. These sound variations can exist due to the fact that a member, dubbing the tape, used poor equipment. A variant, commonly deemed “genuine” as it is owned by many people involved, has TDK AE 46 stock.MediumMercariLaurence02
Kuroageha (黒蝪蝶)仮面遊戯TDK SR-X 46Grey J-card (glossy)
500​
Insert, dark-brown/black paperType II tape.MediumMercariLaurence02
LALIENE2ND DEMOSony FXI 60Without extra jacketSheetLowGenka MarketCantavanda
LALIENE2ND DEMODenon RS 60With extra jacketSheetMediumPersonal saleCantavanda
LALIENE2ND DEMOTDK AE30SheetMediumYJflowersofnight
LalieneLalieneTDK AE20
100​
HighMercariCantavanda
LAREINEMISTMaxell UR 10LA-REINE stamp on the inside of the paper J-CardHighGenka MarketCantavanda
LAREINEMISTMaxell UR 10LA-REINE stamp on the inside of the paper J-CardHighYJflowersofnight
LAREINE月夜の歌劇Pure black tape with sticker labelsCredits on reverse of coverHighYJflowersofnight
Malice MizerSADNESSMaxell UR 10SheetTrack list on reverse of coverLowYJflowersofnight
Malice MizerSADNESS / SPEED OF DESPERATETDK AE10HighFLOWER RECORDflowersofnight
Malice MizerSANS LOGIQUESony HF20 Pure Gamma
100​
Track list on reverse of coverLowYJflowersofnight
Malice MizerThe 1th AnniversarySony HF10SheetTrack list on reverse of coverLowYJflowersofnight
MALICE MIZERThe 1th AnniversaryAXIA A1 10SheetProbably a fake.LowYJCantavanda
MALICE MIZER再会の血と薔薇 message tapeSony HF10LowYJCantavanda
MARIASUMMER SNOW/CrossAxia J’z 1 12Has Axia tape stock.Tiny insert on thin paper stockThere should exist copies on TDK AE 20 stock too.MediumYJLaurence02
MatenrouUntitled demoTDK AE46LowYJflowersofnight
MatenrouU-RA-GI-RI…TDK AE20LowYJflowersofnight
MetiesRECUR to MINDMaxell UJ 46SheetCredits on reverse of coverHighYJflowersofnight
o×b×j×eLIVE DEMODenon GR-I46Mediumflowersofnight
o×b×j×enot for saleMaxell UR 10HighFLOWER RECORDflowersofnight
o×b×j×eo×b×j×e / untitledMaxell UR 46SheetLyrics sheet on glossy paper. Cover is a picture of a girl in a bottle; tape is either untitled or self-titled.HighFLOWER RECORDflowersofnight
o×b×j×e貴女は僕を殺したけど僕は貴女を殺せはしない。AXIA A1 20SheetHighFLOWER RECORDflowersofnight
P-MODELP-MODEL OPENING SE '92TDK AE20MediumYJflowersofnight
Pride of mind1st demoTDK SR46SheetCover is a photo print. Contains a warranty cardHighYJflowersofnight
Pride of mind1st demoTDK SR50SheetCover is a photo print. No warranty cardMediumYJSeen from seller dldjq56892
Pride of mind2nd demoTDK AR54SheetCover is a photo print. Contains a warranty cardHighYJflowersofnight
Pride of mind2nd demoMaxell CD's II 60SheetCover is a photo print. Contains a warranty cardMediumYJSeen from seller dldjq56892
Pride of mindRevival demoTDK AE10Cover is a square paper cutoutHighYJflowersofnight
Rudolf SteinerPerfect GardenTDK AE30SheetOn the back of the cover is a picture of Hora and Kaya, approved by HoraHighPuresoundMadmoiselle_silk
Rudolf SteinerPerfect GardenSony HF30SheetCredits and member photos on reverse of coverLowflowersofnight
Rudolf SteinerPerfect GardenTDK AE30SheetOn the back of the cover is a picture of Hora and Kaya. Same high quality paper material as the other tape.MediumMercariCantavanda
Rudolf SteinerQueen of DecadenceTDK AE30SheetThe lyrics sheet is in a glossy kind of paper, has an illustration behind the lyricsHighPuresoundMadmoiselle_silk
Rudolf SteinerQueen of DecadenceTDK AE30SheetCredits and member photos on reverse of coverHighflowersofnight
Rudolf SteinerQueen of DecadenceTDK AE30SheetThe lyrics sheet is has an illustration behind the lyrics, the other side of the cover has photographs of both members. That same cover insert is in very high quality paper that feels a bit plasticy, don't know how to explain it.MediumMercariCantavanda
Sensuale吐息の聞こえる場所・・・AXIA A1 46Credits on reverse of cover; comes with stickerHighflowersofnight
Snow-BELIEVE IN-TDK AE10SheetMediumflowersofnight
Suppurate Systemaffekt PenduleBlack tapeblack bust with metal topSheetThe lyrics sheet is slimHighYJMadmoiselle_silk
Suppurate Systemaffekt PenduleWhite tapeThe back of a bust with metal topSheetThe lyrics sheet is slimHighYJMadmoiselle_silk
Suppurate SystemFeather Disperse type BBlack tape with see through edgesThe cover is lying downSheetComes with a small yellow card signed by Ryonai and MikaelHighAdumaMadmoiselle_silk
Trance Art LizardEroadSony CDix II 40SheetCredits on reverse of coverHighflowersofnight
Velvet EdenMadame TarantulaMaxell UR60Red coverGreen lyrics sheetOn the back of the cover is an illustration by Vivienne Sato, comes with a invite to their next live show on a blue piece of paper.HighYJMadmoiselle_silk
Velvet EdenMadame TarantulaMaxell UR60Street of Alice coverRed lyrics sheetOn the back of the cover is an image of Kalm, comes with a invite to their next live show on a blue piece of paper.HighYJMadmoiselle_silk
Velvet EdenMadame TarantulaMaxell UR60Red coverBlue lyrics sheetHighflowersofnight
Velvet Edenmadame tarantulaMaxell UR60Blue cover versionSheet: b/w paper/text but pink artOn the back of the cover is an image of KalmHighCantavanda
Velvet EdenStreet of AliceMaxell UR46SheetOn the back of the cover is a monochrome coverpictureHighYJMadmoiselle_silk
Velvet EdenStreet of AliceMaxell UR46SheetOn the back of the cover is a monochrome coverpictureHighflowersofnight
Velvet EdenStreet of ALICE (tape)Maxell UR46Sheet: b/w paper/text but pink artOn the back of the cover is a monochrome coverpicture and red textHighCantavanda
Velvet Edenオペラ座の怪人Maxell UR 20SheetIncludes an extra sheet with address to labelHighPuresoundMadmoiselle_silk
Velvet Edenオペラ座の怪人Maxell UR20SheetIncludes an extra sheet with address to labelMediumPuresoundCantavanda
Velvet Eden最後の晩餐/不思議の国のアリスMaxell UR30SheetIncludes an extra sheet with address to labelMediumMercariCantavanda
Velvet Eden蜘蛛の巣・果樹園Maxell UR 20SheetIncludes an extra sheet with address to labelHighPuresoundMadmoiselle_silk
Velvet Eden蜘蛛ノ巣城・果樹園TDK AE20SheetCover is a single, one-sided sheet, no label contact info sheetLowMercariCantavanda
Velvet Eden蜘蛛女Maxell UR 10SheetCover is a single sheet, could be photocopiedMediumPersonal saleMadmoiselle_silk
ZodiacDestiny to…White tape with sticker labelsSheetHighflowersofnight
ミサ架空ノ人々Pure white tapeWhite tape
1500​
Cover folds outHighflowersofnight
ミサ架空ノ人々Pure green tapeGreen tape
1500​
Cover folds outHighflowersofnight
不許可曲集不許可曲集Pure black tapeCover is semi-translucentHighYJflowersofnight
嘆き使徒「ツ…ラ…ラ」Sony HF10
200​
SheetCover is a photo print.Highflowersofnight
嘆き使徒「ツ…ラ…ラ」Sony HF10
200​
SheetCover is a photo print.MediumMercariCantavanda
嘆き使徒嘆き使徒Pure black tape
1500​
SheetTrack list on reverse of coverHighYJflowersofnight
平沢進魂のふる里Pure white tapeHighYJflowersofnight
翡翠Demeanor de Curtain RaiserTDK AE30SheetComes with two stickers. Tape has small printed labels. Cover identical to 翡翠 demo.Highflowersofnight
翡翠Demeanor de Curtain RaiserSony CDix I???Fake or defective release? Odd tape with incomplete audio, no add-ins or lyrics sheet.LowYJflowersofnight
翡翠Desert Moon / Sight BeforeTDK AE20Photo coverSheetAnother variant exists with a line art cover.HighYJflowersofnight
翡翠Desert Moon / Sight BeforeTDK AE20Red coverSheetLyrics sheet is completely printed with a red illustration. Label on cassette tape with "HISUI 1997 HCT-001 ¥700" printed on.HighRarezhutCantavanda
翡翠Desert Moon / Sight BeforeTDK AE20Black and white photo coverLyrics sheet is completely printed with a black and white illustration. Label on cassette tape with "HISUI 1997 HCT-001 ¥700" printed on.HighRarezhutCantavanda
翡翠HISUI I.TDK AE20SheetCredits on reverse of cover. My copy #107.HighMbokflowersofnight
翡翠HISUI I.TDK AE20SheetCredits on reverse of coverMediumYJCantavanda
翡翠人形のような私・・・Pure white tape with sticker labelsSheetLyrics sheet on black paperHighYJflowersofnight
翡翠人形のような私・・・Pure white tape with sticker labelsSheetLyrics sheet on black paperHighFLOWER RECORDCantavanda
翡翠翡翠 (Pre-1996 with Hayashi)TDK AD1 30SheetReverse of cover is stamped.HighYJ (grgrg_0303)flowersofnight
翡翠翡翠 (1996 with Yoshimitsu)TDK AE20SheetComes with アンケット on white paper and lyrics sheet on green paper. Reverse of cover is stamped.HighThird Stageflowersofnight
 

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Great idea! Why not also add what kind of tape plastic case was included? The more round or the more rectangle/angular ones. Also if there's a brand like the "Sony" logo on the plastic cassette case it would be interesting to note. And maybe add a seperate section for the lyrics card, if it is included or not, instead of in details.
 
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Why not also add what kind of tape plastic case was included? The more round or the more rectangle/angular ones.
Would it actually help anyone? There seem to be a million kinds of subtly different tape cases and they don't have names or anything. I'm not sure you could even tell them apart from an auction photo. Besides, I would think 99% of the time the type of case is just "Whatever came with that brand of tape".
 

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I edited in a new copy of the sample sheet to the first post in this thread, with the lyrics sheet info separated out to its own column, and also a new column for # of copies pressed (not that it's known for most of the ones in the sample)

Any takers, anyone going to join in?
 

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I edited in a new copy of the sample sheet to the first post in this thread, with the lyrics sheet info separated out to its own column, and also a new column for # of copies pressed (not that it's known for most of the ones in the sample)

Any takers, anyone going to join in?

Yes, boss.
Here's my non-pro duplicated tapes.
 

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Interesting stuff. While I only have a few demo tapes myself and don't actively search for many, I would be too afraid to buy any demo tape from popular bands because of the odds that they would be fake.

Of course, it's easy to be suspicious when a YJA or mercari seller magically has all of the rarest tapes one could dream of. But then it's hard to spot them when they only post very specific rare tapes occasionally one at a time.
Would it also be helpful to make a 'blacklist' of such sellers?
 

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Here's my non-pro duplicated tapes.
You know it doesn't show up as a "new post" if you edit things in, right? XD I didn't even see this until now. I'll merge this into the main list in a bit.
Thanks :cool:
Some general notes:
"Variant and Pressing" should be used only for official releases (different colors/versions/etc) Anything fake will clearly be one-of-a-kind.
I sort of want to avoid "combination" confidence rankings like medium/high. If in doubt let's put it at medium. High is intended for things with solid provenance, things that make it physically hard to duplicate (like a pink cassette tape), or some sort of special feature that wasn't common knowledge and a bootlegger wouldn't have known about.

Also, what's the deal with the "overwritten" tape? :lol:

Would it also be helpful to make a 'blacklist' of such sellers?
Absolutely, although I think there are only a few "regulars" like qld96 who sell fakes en masse.
Generally the big fake sellers are pretty obvious because they sell japametal demos.
 
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You know it doesn't show up as a "new post" if you edit things in, right? XD I didn't even see this until now. I'll merge this into the main list in a bit.
Thanks :cool:
Some general notes:
"Variant and Pressing" should be used only for official releases (different colors/versions/etc) Anything fake will clearly be one-of-a-kind.
I sort of want to avoid "combination" confidence rankings like medium/high. If in doubt let's put it at medium. High is intended for things with solid provenance, things that make it physically hard to duplicate (like a pink cassette tape), or some sort of special feature that wasn't common knowledge and a bootlegger wouldn't have known about.

Also, what's the deal with the "overwritten" tape? :lol:

Oops, sorry.
Sorry about that! I should have "fixed" the confidence, etc., now.

Well, I bought this tape off Biopanda, who in turn had bought a lot off Yahoo containing this tape. The inserts look... fine, if a bit used, but the tape contained a partial Buck-Tick (or a B-T cover band) live. Can be uploaded if for the lulz if you want.
 

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Well, I bought this tape off Biopanda, who in turn had bought a lot off Yahoo containing this tape. The inserts look... fine, if a bit used, but the tape contained a partial Buck-Tick (or a B-T cover band) live.
Could it just have been some other tape that got swapped into the case?
I dunno, this is a weird enough situation that I think we might just want to leave it out, I don't think anyone could make a buying decision based off of it XD

Anyway, I merged the rest into the list in the top post. I edited the comments a bit too, we can let the audience decide for themselves what is "obscure".
 

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Could it just have been some other tape that got swapped into the case?
I dunno, this is a weird enough situation that I think we might just want to leave it out, I don't think anyone could make a buying decision based off of it XD

Anyway, I merged the rest into the list in the top post. I edited the comments a bit too, we can let the audience decide for themselves what is "obscure".
Possible. But all the other copies of this tape that I've seen sell have had the same tape stock. Let's do that if you find that that's the best option.

Great. And as for the "obscure" stuff, you're completely right. But I'm not lying about the MARIA tape, I promise.. :P
 

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Here's my contribution! I added AFTER IMAGE, AMADEUS and LAREINE. Also a MM comment tape.
 

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Here's my contribution! I added AFTER IMAGE, AMADEUS and LAREINE. Also a MM comment tape.
You have "high" confidence in anything from Genka Market? ::kozi:: They seemed like a bunch of shysters to me.
I bought my Kneuklid Romance 1st demo from their YJ arm, and I have pretty much no confidence in it.

I'll do some more entries later too.
 

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You have "high" confidence in anything from Genka Market? ::kozi:: They seemed like a bunch of shysters to me.
I bought my Kneuklid Romance 1st demo from their YJ arm, and I have pretty much no confidence in it.

I'll do some more entries later too.
It's because of the unique LA-REINE stamp that every copy of MIST has. That serves as a proof that a MIST demo is real. Plus, when looking at history of auctions, my copy of MIST corresponds well with past auctions. Same tape type for example.
I got other tapes from Genka Market that were obviously fake sadly... but this MIST one seems to be very real.
 

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I merged in the latest entries and did more of my own including the Lareine tapes. Edited the first post's attachment for this.
What did you mean by the "extra jacket" on the Laliene 2nd demo? Is it that sort of wraparound flap?

I changed some of the entries like "Twitter" to just "Personal sale", which is what we're really talking about in a case like that.
 

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Hello there!
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/521046719
I got this!
The seller told me he's a fan since the Tetsu era, and is sure the tape is real/genuine.
The cassette type is the same as flowers', and someone else on Twitter who has it.
So it seems to be finally a real one that showed up.
I think that the one I already have is fake, since it has differences.
One difference is at what point the lyrics card is folded.
In this cassette I won, it is folded in the middle of the black strip, inbetween the MM logo, and the members.
With the fake I have, it is folded more to the left, just outside of the black strip.
How is the lyrics card folded with your copies?
Thanks!
 

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Mine is folded to the side of the black strip - not that we know for sure mine is real.
One thing to consider is that we don't know if this was originally machine-produced or if it was just the 5 members sitting around a table folding them by hand. Given their desperately low budget in the indies days, it might well have been done by hand. It's possible that mistakes were made, or that not everyone did it the same way.
 

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I added some tapes. I also have MM 1st anniversary, bought from beautifulmen here on scape, and that tape is a TDK AE30 didn't add that though but it looks legit.
 

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I added some tapes. I also have MM 1st anniversary, bought from beautifulmen here on scape, and that tape is a TDK AE30 didn't add that though but it looks legit.
I updated the list in the first post, and added some more of my own too.

My copy of Rudolf Steiner's "Perfect Garden" has a different tape type than yours. What does your lyrics sheet look like on that one?
 

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