Interview translation: MM on Gackt leaving the band

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Kyuketsuki wrote:
I think a question now is whether we go to any other boards we're on and post this interview there (with the translator's permission, of course. or even better, have it posted on the main site so it can be linked out.). Would it make a difference, do you think? It would definitly cause a bit of a stir, but......eh. :/

How would that be a good idea? This is (supposed to be, anyway) one of the more "mature" and "respectable" forums online for such people and look at how they were talked of and about when the entire affair was discussed here.

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We probably don't have a complete image of everything going on at the time and so it's hard to say whether Gackt was really as out of line as he appears to have been - and I'm with those that feel that his apparent conduct left a lot to be desired, but why take sides at the end of the day on something that isn't exactly your business.

For lack of a better means to put my assent, I agree with this absolutely. Does this matter that much to you all as a community, really?
 

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Orchid wrote:
For lack of a better means to put my assent, I agree with this absolutely. Does this matter that much to you all as a community, really?

Gee, I wonder what this community's about to begin with? Hmmm...Malice Mizer? No. No way. Because even if it was, why would we care about such a vital interview as this? :| I agree undoubtedly with mort about not needing to take sides, but given why we're all at scape to begin with, we're going to care about it regardless of whether we disprove of anyone or not.

I think it was handled rather well, and most of the people who were overtly opinionated at the start of it later admitted that it was mostly out of shock and reformed their original opinion. You're over reacting, so please don't be so harsh about it.
 

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Enjoying and following a band or standalone musician's music and career doesn't entitle or justify this sordid fixation on their personal lives and relations. You have both parties' words on their dissent, and that's really all there is to this. The call to rally together and spread the advent of just another point of view in a small interview translation like it's a new testament of a holy scripture or something similar's a little fanatic, to be honest.

I'm sorry if I sound or seem harsh. The continuously broken thresholds of the boundaries of this fandom never lets up in flabbergasting me.
 

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Orchid wrote:
The call to rally together and spread the advent of just another point of view in a small interview translation like it's a new testament of a holy scripture or something similar's a little fanatic, to be honest.
It's not so much a 'new testament', as much as it's a new section to an old chapter. Up until now, we've really only known Gackt's point from Jihaku, so it's refreshing to see the band's point of view. So in that sense, it's normal for us to debate; discuss; and maybe even fight over. I mean, this is a pretty big piece of Malice history.

I really wouldn't say we're 'fanatical', we're just intrigued and curious as to what could've happened.
 

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Yeah, but Jihaku was so absurd that I for one couldn't take it seriously. I think the general shape of things is pretty much how a reasonable observer could already have figured out: Gackt wanted to go solo, and so he did, and he also might have been a bit of a jerk.

Orchid wrote:
For lack of a better means to put my assent, I agree with this absolutely. Does this matter that much to you all as a community, really?
I dunno, someone obviously thought it mattered enough to conduct the interview and publish it in a magazine, right?

Oh, and we don't need to go publicizing this around other places. If it comes up, maybe point them to the information, but no sense in creating a ruckus unnecessarily.
 

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That's true but I still think that, if people had known both sides of the story from the start, the notion that he must be at fault whenever something happens in or around his musical projects wouldn't be so deeply ingrained now.
I don't think the reason why people have this opinion of Mana is because of anything Gackt said. Jihaku was published rather recently and few have read that Gackt interview. The reasoning as far as I can tell has always gone like this: Mana is the leader. Mana doesn't talk ergo he's a snob and a bitch. Mana has had three vocalists so it follows that he has kicked them out/they left because he's a snob and a bitch. The end. I have never seen anything else used to back this up.

Kyuketsuki wrote:
mort's got a very valid point that people just like to rumor monger and telling them anything even with the proof right in front of them isn't going to make them stop spreading lies.
We've done this many times at this forum after all. All that happens is that they go to other forums to carry on the 'conversation'.

Orchid wrote:
Does this matter that much to you all as a community, really?
Well, yes it does matter as a piece of information and I'm glad to have been privy to it, but that's as far as it goes. I enjoy Gackt's music as much as I enjoy Mana's. I also don't know either of them personally and from what I do know would be mates with neither so how they conduct their business is up to them, as long as it has no negative effects on me. If Gackt's actions had prevented the other members from recording or performing in the future, now that I would have had a thing or two to say about.

flowers wrote:
I think the general shape of things is pretty much how a reasonable observer could already have figured out: Gackt wanted to go solo, and so he did, and he also might have been a bit of a jerk.
Nail on the head :P.
 

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mort wrote:
Orchid wrote:
Does this matter that much to you all as a community, really?
Well, yes it does matter as a piece of information and I'm glad to have been privy to it, but that's as far as it goes. I enjoy Gackt's music as much as I enjoy Mana's. I also don't know either of them personally and from what I do know would be mates with neither so how they conduct their business is up to them, as long as it has no negative effects on me.

Yeah, exactly. :) That's what I meant by that imposition and how conduct toward speculation and suchlike should most reasonably and respectably be approached, if must be even at all.
 

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SDjilliaRE wrote:
Orchid wrote:
The call to rally together and spread the advent of just another point of view in a small interview translation like it's a new testament of a holy scripture or something similar's a little fanatic, to be honest.
It's not so much a 'new testament', as much as it's a new section to an old chapter. Up until now, we've really only known Gackt's point from Jihaku, so it's refreshing to see the band's point of view. So in that sense, it's normal for us to debate; discuss; and maybe even fight over. I mean, this is a pretty big piece of Malice history.

I really wouldn't say we're 'fanatical', we're just intrigued and curious as to what could've happened.
QFT.

This interview is very much important as we only had access to gackt's view of things. Even if any side is not saying 100% of the true, it is fair that we know what each of them would have to say. If it was not important, then they just wouldn't spend their precious time giving this interview (as you can notice in the interview they were very busy back then) neither would gackt dedicate an entire charpter in his biography, 4 years later, to this stuff, and those other 2 interviews back in 1999. :P There is nothing fanatical regarding discussing this, and i think no one said that this is the ultimate truth, simply because none of us were there and we can't prove if any of them is telling the truth at all xD I for one just said i tend to believe more in MM's version, because i thought it was clearer and explained points that gackt just made vague, but i have nothing against Gackt, actually he is one of my favourite artists. xD
 

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Orchid wrote:
Yeah, exactly. :) That's what I meant by that imposition and how conduct toward speculation and suchlike should most reasonably and respectably be approached, if must be even at all.

Everyone handles news differently. In the end, no one was as extreme as you made them out to be. Just because they may not have taken it as nonchalantly as you would have doesn't make them fanatic. If you want fanaticism to point a finger at, go to batsu.

flowersofnight wrote:
Gackt wanted to go solo, and so he did, and he also might have been a bit of a jerk.

:lol: That's the gist of it, and all that counts when you come down to it.
 

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Enjoying and following a band or standalone musician's music and career doesn't entitle or justify this sordid fixation on their personal lives and relations.
You're fighting the wrong fight, man.

I would hardly consider this affair to be very personal to begin with, and this discussion could hardly be considered a "sordid fixation" on the issue anyway.
The call to rally together and spread the advent of just another point of view in a small interview translation like it's a new testament of a holy scripture or something similar's a little fanatic, to be honest.
Yes it is. Can you show me where this is happening?

You've kind of blown things out of proportion, I think.
 

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Berserk wrote:
Yes it is. Can you show me where this is happening?

A suggestion to embark on an endeavor along those lines was brought up at the bottom of this thread's previous page.

Everything else is debatable, but I'm just going to bow out and concede from the argument now, not out of concern for being (or the contention of already having been) outwitted or an unwillingness to step up and defend my own strong statements I had a mind to make in the first place, but sheer weariness and not really wanting to continue pursuing it and keep at bringing down a discussion I hadn't taken part in at all anywhere previously and probably shouldn't have spoke up to begin with.

As you were...
 

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Orchid wrote:
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Yes it is. Can you show me where this is happening?

A suggestion to embark on an endeavor along those lines was brought up at the bottom of this thread's previous page.

Yes, but the reasons you thought I had for suggesting such a thing were completely wrong compared to what I meant, and THAT'S where you blew it out of proportion. You know me better than to suggest that I was after some sort of spreading of "new testament of a holy scripture" as you so quaintly put it, and I'm rather insulted that you would think it as such. Fanaticism has nothing to do with it, as has been said repeatedly already. If that's what you took from it, then perhaps my wording wasn't sufficient to my intentions of the post.
 

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I just remembered to check the UV file and there's an interview from the february 99 volume, where they're wearing the pope outfits but it doesn't have the pic I posted earlier, and it doesn't seem to even mention Gackt.
 

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I just wanted to ask, because I really don't think it was answered well enough before:

(Me Assuming) Gackt is a bit more repectable than this interview gives him credit for, why would he do this?

He says/said he loved Malice Mizer, but he left...? for what reason would make he leave in such an abrupt way?

Course people change, but Gackt seems more mature (duh) nowadays, and to me it would seem he would be above doing something like this. Which makes me think there was some siginificant reason he had to end it this way.
 

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I don't know, but for me this situation seems a bit too overdramatized. And yeah, we know that espacially Gackt and Mana likes to overdramatize. Whereby in my opinion Mana seems a little bit more "sober" in this interview belonging to the Gackt-leaving-MM-thing.

But what I'm trying to say is, that it's too usual that there could be different understandings of a concept in a band where the bandmembers can't get along with each other any longer.

Gackt is a perfectionist (he said that often enough :P), not only during his solo-career. He always was a perfectionist (read through Jihaku about his piano-"disaster"). And I think it was just the case, that there happened things in Malice Mizer, which didn't fit his image of the band. A perfectionist like him could get really frustrated by such things, I know that. xD
 

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MiniKitty wrote:
(Me Assuming) Gackt is a bit more repectable than this interview gives him credit for, why would he do this?

He says/said he loved Malice Mizer, but he left...? for what reason would make he leave in such an abrupt way?

Course people change, but Gackt seems more mature (duh) nowadays, and to me it would seem he would be above doing something like this. Which makes me think there was some siginificant reason he had to end it this way.

Because how people portray themselves to the public isn't always how they really are in person and in real life. To quote Shakespeare: "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players."
 

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I've read the zillion posts and of course the 2 interviews and I only have one thing to say.
Gackt's reputation -as it is perceived by Western fans at least- wasn't tarnished by his leaving MM. His solo career started and it was a BIG success from the beginning. And then he wrote this autobiography repeating (or making worse) what he said in the interview and defaming the others... Honestly, I AM a Gackt fan, I love the guy and his talent and his music. But he wasn't "hurt" by all this, his fame wasn't.
He hurt the others and specially Mana. And even HERE in Spain the same rumour is spread around, that Mana's hobby is to kick out bandmembers and vocalists... for g's sake...! So, right now, Mana is still suffering the consequences of Gackt's departure (be it for the reason it were, who knows?).
Of course it is good to contrast points of views and realize that Gackt-sama doesn't have the absolute truth. But wasn't the damage done?
 

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Kyuketsuki wrote:
MiniKitty wrote:
(Me Assuming) Gackt is a bit more repectable than this interview gives him credit for, why would he do this?

He says/said he loved Malice Mizer, but he left...? for what reason would make he leave in such an abrupt way?

Course people change, but Gackt seems more mature (duh) nowadays, and to me it would seem he would be above doing something like this. Which makes me think there was some siginificant reason he had to end it this way.

Because how people portray themselves to the public isn't always how they really are in person and in real life. To quote Shakespeare: "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players."

this is know, which why i said "Assuming he's repectable"

honestly he could be like 2 faced (lol celebrities)

im just trying to point out, as for his public persona, this seems unusual, and 'not like him'. Perhaps there was a siginificant reason?

but he also says the the same things in jihaku 4 years later. (though taking translations in account it might of been worded different in japanese, i dunno don't have the book.)

:|
 

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mort wrote:
I don't think the reason why people have this opinion of Mana is because of anything Gackt said. Jihaku was published rather recently and few have read that Gackt interview. The reasoning as far as I can tell has always gone like this: Mana is the leader. Mana doesn't talk ergo he's a snob and a bitch. Mana has had three vocalists so it follows that he has kicked them out/they left because he's a snob and a bitch.
I've also seen Gackt cited as an example for this pattern, i.e. he kicked out Gackt, so he must have kicked out Tetsu, Klaha, Juka, Kazuno, Tohru and Schwarz Stein as well. For example, the author of the articles in Starfacts and Sonic Seducer based his negative portrayal of Mana on his 'arch rivalry' with Gackt and on the official forums of two popular German youth magazines (AnimaniA and BRAVO) the moderators claim that Mana took out gagging orders against Klaha, Juka, SS and everybody he works with, so they can't talk/write bad about him like Gackt did, to name just a few.

Of course the fact that Mana doesn't talk or smile doesn't help; I think if people could see him laughing and goofing around they wouldn't be so quick to think that he's arrogant, a snob, a bitch and so on.
 
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