2008 Presidential Election

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I really don't know how else to explain it! ;o; I suck bad.
or err.. if you don't grasp it, that's why it's not a good idea! ::meev::
 

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holylampposts wrote:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/07/11/firefighters_criticize_giuliani_in_new_video/

It doesn't really say much, but I thought it was kind of interesting. It's certainly something different from the constant praise he's getting for his Sept. 11 actions.
I actually hate Giuliani and the fact that he became some kind of martyr after 9/11. ::hora::
More than hoping for someone who'll win, I'm hoping that he loses. I've even thought of not moving to USA if he won. :mad:
Just from seeing what he did to NY while his mayor-ship(does that word exist?! XD) makes me shiver when thinking what he'd do nation-wise. ::erm::

OK, two questions for people:
Why hasn't anyone mentioned John McCain?
Is he not considered a real contendent?
Not that I support him, its just that I read a really long interview about his presidential campaign in the GQ magazine some months ago and now now one has mentioned him?!

...on the same line... who's Obama?! XD Never heard his name. D:

My second question is, which is people's concerns towards the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy?
Do you expect the future president to do something about it?!
What about gay rights?
I'm aware that with the war going on, this may seem as a secondary thing to expect of a president but it relates if we see it from the Gays in the Military POV(ie. the Dont ask Dont Tell policy). :/

Also, not to point fingers but...
Shame on you if you're of age and you don't vote.
There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for not doing it and you should cherish the opportunity to choose who takes the reigns of YOUR country.
Youth in MY country didn't care till two months ago and now that we're paying attention, we realize there are scary things going on like our president wanting to abolish universities' autonomy and control the educational system.
Last december, very few youngster voted and I shake my head everytime.
Shame, shame, shame.
The younger generations should realize earlier the importance of voting. There is NO excuse. :( (sorry, personal feelings mingled in here, but still!!!).

This reminds me....
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he's loaded the supreme court with political yes-men that are more interested in Republican politics than justice; he's passed the most destructive education reform in our history;
which is...?
I'm interested since OUR president is juggling with our educational system and we're all very, very afraid. T-T

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sailorKa wrote:
Why hasn't anyone mentioned John McCain?
Is he not considered a real contendent?
His campaign is in financial trouble lately, it seems. I'm betting he's not going to last much longer. He's a pro-war conservative who's not actually liked by the pro-war conservative base, so I'm not sure who exactly his target audience is.

...on the same line... who's Obama?! XD Never heard his name. D:
A U.S. senator from Illinois. Mostly famous for being an excellent orator and for being African-American. As of now, he and Hillary Clinton are the two front-runners for the Democratic nomination.

My second question is, which is people's concerns towards the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy?
I don't hear much talk about it. Gay marriage is the big gay-rights issue these days. Generally I think the Democratic and moderate Republican candidates mostly support some form of gay marriage or civil unions, while the conservative Republicans don't.

Berserk wrote:
he's loaded the supreme court with political yes-men that are more interested in Republican politics than justice; he's passed the most destructive education reform in our history;
which is...?
I'm interested since OUR president is juggling with our educational system and we're all very, very afraid. T-T
That's the "No Child Left Behind" bill which instituted strict federal standards for primary and secondary schools, based on standardized math and reading tests. Schools that don't have a sufficient level of passing marks get heavily penalized, regardless of the circumstances.
The result: schools will do pretty much anything in order to get the numbers up. Instruction time often gets taken away from other subjects like art and science in order to make room for more drills for the exams. They'll try to reclassify kids into special ed just to keep them out of the official statistics. etc etc etc. :P So the numbers have been going up over the past few years, but the actual quality of education is going down.
 

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sailorKa wrote:
Also, not to point fingers but...
Shame on you if you're of age and you don't vote.
There is absolutely no excuse whatsoever for not doing it and you should cherish the opportunity to choose who takes the reigns of YOUR country.
Youth in MY country didn't care till two months ago and now that we're paying attention, we realize there are scary things going on like our president wanting to abolish universities' autonomy and control the educational system.
Last december, very few youngster voted and I shake my head everytime.
Shame, shame, shame.
The younger generations should realize earlier the importance of voting. There is NO excuse. :( (sorry, personal feelings mingled in here, but still!!!).

I agree with everything except saying there's no excuse. I think that, if you're voting just to vote along party lines and not for what you believe in, then it's kind of a pointless vote. Even if you're voting for the person I want to win.
 

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I just don't believe in this stuff, politics somehow are only behind money (as everything in this damn world), or personal interests. Even though I'm not American, I think who ever success to get the power will do what everyone has already done in the past, steal money and attack innocent people or even better, to agree about killing mexicans as animals :|

Anyways, if you can't completely trust in a friend, how could you trust in someone who's promising heaven for you and you don't even know him/her? I'd better go on drugs than voting XD
 

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Kadaj wrote:
I just don't believe in this stuff, politics somehow are only behind money (as everything in this damn world), or personal interests. Even though I'm not American, I think who ever success to get the power will do what everyone has already done in the past, steal money and attack innocent people or even better, to agree about killing mexicans as animals :|

This post deserves a :psyduck: more than any other. How are politics "only" about that? I was pretty sure they were about providing everyone frameworks within which to live and carry on decently and peacefully without everything descending into completely horrible chaos. Perhaps some Locke should be the first on your reading list.
 

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Elec wrote:
Kadaj wrote:
I just don't believe in this stuff, politics somehow are only behind money (as everything in this damn world), or personal interests. Even though I'm not American, I think who ever success to get the power will do what everyone has already done in the past, steal money and attack innocent people or even better, to agree about killing mexicans as animals :|

This post deserves a :psyduck: more than any other. How are politics "only" about that? I was pretty sure they were about providing everyone frameworks within which to live and carry on decently and peacefully without everything descending into completely horrible chaos. Perhaps some Locke should be the first on your reading list.

<___< Sorry, but I haven't been in a nice politics surrounding here in Mexico...only chaos, and chaos....Maybe that explains it all
 

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A few months have passed, but I'd like to know what's new, as the election day gets closer. So, what's the situation, basically ? What are the issues ? Who's gonna win ? Are the candidates different from each other ?
 

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Ummm... Fred Thompson's joined the race.
Everything Hillary's asked leads back to Bill.
Rudy Giuliani is using 9/11 as an excuse for everything.
Bill Richardson won't stop repeating EVERYTHING Obama says. Watch the YouTube debates video about naming something you like and dislike about a candidate ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygaPwW-B2y4 ) and tell me that's not what he does. And that was just the most obvious one, too.

What's the deal with the flag pins, though? Why are people getting mad about it?

Ron Paul has almost led me to register Republican, just to vote for him in the primaries. My government teacher can't get enough of my Ron Paul love, saying that he's brought me to the dark side (he's conservative). We also get into plenty of arguments about him, since he doesn't like Paul. It's pretty cool.
 

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RuPaul is going to be President ? http://images.google.com/images?hl=fr&q ... ages&gbv=2
:lol:

Ron Paul has almost led me to register Republican, just to vote for him in the primaries. My government teacher can't get enough of my Ron Paul love, saying that he's brought me to the dark side (he's conservative). We also get into plenty of arguments about him, since he doesn't like Paul. It's pretty cool.

Can you explain ? What's the bad thing with the Republicans ? Sorry, I still don't know much about US politics ::shifty::
 

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There's nothing necessarily wrong with Republicans (the conservative party) -- I just don't agree with most of their platform. That's why he called it the dark side. I guess you could say that's how I view it. :P
 

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meh.. politics gets me sad/mad... I'm doing my best to take interest this year, since it will be my first time voting.
 

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I think the flag pin thing is just another spin at Obama not being American enough. They've been pulling the same card since the beginning.


Halvorc: there's nothing wrong with Republicans, but right now a lot of people (Democrats and moderates, and some less conservative Republicans) dislike being associated with the Republican party because of Bush's administration. Our party system is so polarized right now; it's very saddening.
 

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navate wrote:
I think the flag pin thing is just another spin at Obama not being American enough. They've been pulling the same card since the beginning.

That's really retarded. Like the Muslim propaganda. I hate it.
 

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navate wrote:
Halvorc: there's nothing wrong with Republicans, but right now a lot of people (Democrats and moderates, and some less conservative Republicans) dislike being associated with the Republican party because of Bush's administration.

Yeah; it's not even the priorities and perspectives of the political Republican party itself that's vilified so much as the fundamental beliefs in social conservatism that many more "free thinking", so to say, Americans (and as a rule of thumb, the majority of this forum community) quite dislike.

navate wrote:
Our party system is so polarized right now; it's very saddening.

I don't see that improving at all any time soon, either. :/
 

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navate wrote:
I dunno, I have a hard time trusting the sincerity of anyone who changes accents when she speaks in different regions. She's so fake to me. :|

Call it political strategy ;) politicians here do it when campaigning in different provinces. They speak (of what little of the dialect they know) the dialects spoken by the natives in the provinces they go to. It's supposed to make them connected to the people they're speaking to. :)

And speaking of political dynasties, you should go here to see just how BAD it is. Let's say Mr. X stays in Congress for 9 years, and after that, he runs for a position in the senate, with his wife running for the position he left in Congress. It's a sick cycle. ::bleh:: Right now, we've got siblings in the senate, and the last Congress had the wife and son of our deposed President as senators... geez, I could go on forever!

And how do Republicans differ from Democrats in terms of ideals or anything? Sorry, I don't really know anything about how American politics hulabaloo.
 

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Living in Japan, I know next to nothing about what's going on politically back in "the homeland". But since I always vote, I guess I should find out....

I'll admit. I'm a Republican and I come from a long line of Republicans. And not only that, RELIGIOUS CONSERVATIVE ones. I voted for Bush last time, but if he was running again, I wouldnt. Though I would never vote Democrat, so...what else is there. I've gotten more liberal in some areas over the years, so maybe I'm a quasi-conservative??

The only Republican candidate I know anything about right now is Gulianni....and I heard that he cheated on his wife or something and there's no way I would vote for a guy like that.
 

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navate wrote:
I think the flag pin thing is just another spin at Obama not being American enough. They've been pulling the same card since the beginning.


Halvorc: there's nothing wrong with Republicans, but right now a lot of people (Democrats and moderates, and some less conservative Republicans) dislike being associated with the Republican party because of Bush's administration. Our party system is so polarized right now; it's very saddening.

OK, I find this a bit sad anyway, because (sorry, I don't know about the Republicans' ideas, but that's just my thought) the USA is a country with one american people, and you just can't divide 300+ million people into two sides where no one communicates and works with each other. Republican or not, the President is the President of all Americans, once he's elected he's above all partys, isn't he ? He cannot rule the country only for those who voted for him. For example, when visiting other countries, he must speak in the name of the American people, whether some of them were for him or against him. Or maybe I'm completely mistaken.

It might be OK if Republicans and Democrats are really different. In France, the Socialists and the main right-wing party used to rule the country one after the other, but they're both quite the same (same foreign and economic policy, with a few differences about social issues like gay marriage etc., not so important). Now, the Socialists lose every big election (National Assembly and Presidential) for 12 years, so there's only the UMP left. Opponents protest loudly about anything the majority does, but it's still ruling.

Oh, just a question : is it possible in the US not to be Democrat nor Republican, or are people really strongly divided between these two sides ?

And speaking of political dynasties, you should go here to see just how BAD it is. Let's say Mr. X stays in Congress for 9 years, and after that, he runs for a position in the senate, with his wife running for the position he left in Congress. It's a sick cycle. bleh Right now, we've got siblings in the senate, and the last Congress had the wife and son of our deposed President as senators... geez, I could go on forever!
Did you know that the President and the Prime Minister of Poland were identical twin brothers ?
 

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Halvorc wrote:
Republican or not, the President is the President of all Americans, once he's elected he's above all partys, isn't he ?
Far from it; sitting presidents spend lots of time campaigning for political allies, blaming their failures on the opposition party in Congress, etc. Some people even refer to the president as "the leader of his party" in a figurative sense.

Oh, just a question : is it possible in the US not to be Democrat nor Republican, or are people really strongly divided between these two sides ?
There are other smaller parties, and you don't have to be a member of any party at all. It's generally a good idea to be a member of some party though so you can vote in primaries. For example, in my area it's so heavily Republican that the elections are essentially decided at the primaries, so there's not that much point in being a registered Democrat.
 
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