Do you think Asian men have been emasculated in the US?
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eMiNaTiC wrote:i think its mostly because you date who you associate yourself with, and all the asians i've ever known are extremely...clique-y and said cliques don't normally include non-asians (or whitewashed asians like myself)
Yes, there's a lot like that here. I think most are like that everywhere.
The clique thing is crazy, speaking as a half-asian myself, we really do stick to our kind sometimes, LOL.
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Speaking as a hispanic person: I don't have any hispanic friends.
Einherjer wrote:
This! Same goes for azn gals that only date azn dudes.
The only time I saw an Asian dude dating someone not Asian was that one of my friends used to had a relationship with a Chinese guy from her college. They even have a kid, but their relationship ended up really sour a couple of months ago.
That was more in response to when you said:
Those pictures were more to show that Asian guys can be big and masculine by western standards too.
It's not that they don't fit our ideas of 'masculine' or that they're all 'small' (really, the Asian-Americans that I know aren't particularly short at all), it's that everyone likes to think that they don't. Or they pretend that they don't.Amatsu wrote:
Those pictures were more to show that Asian guys can be big and masculine by western standards too.
Just because most of the Asian Americans you've met aren't short doesn't mean most aren't. Statistically, most are.Just looking at the stats on Wikipedia that Iska linked us to, the average 20+, White, American man is 5'10.5'' while the average Urban, Chinese, 17 y.o. is 5'7'' and the average Rural, Chinese, 17 y.o. is 5'5.5''. So, even at an age where they might not be finished growing, young, urban Chinese men are only 3 inches shorter than white American men of all ages, on average. I included the rural stats because IMO that shows that diet makes a considerable difference.
So I'm guessing that Asian American men can't be any more than 3 inches shorter than White American men, and, when you account for diet, I'll bet the difference is even smaller than that.
I doubt that Asian American men are considerably shorter than their White counterparts. Although, in my own personal experience, I've seen less height variety in Asian men and I've never met one as tall as myself. But I have't met any that struck me as particularly "short".
So I'm guessing that Asian American men can't be any more than 3 inches shorter than White American men, and, when you account for diet, I'll bet the difference is even smaller than that.
I doubt that Asian American men are considerably shorter than their White counterparts. Although, in my own personal experience, I've seen less height variety in Asian men and I've never met one as tall as myself. But I have't met any that struck me as particularly "short".
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I have read several times that people from North Korea are considerably shorter compared to their South Korean counterparts but most of it has to do with diet. (Since they're starving and shit)
Amatsu is tall IRL so I bet everyone is short to him
However we are both from the same region and I would have to agree with what he is saying. I don't think he is saying they are really short but on a day to day basis, the people I see that are Asian are usually slightly short or just average height.
Also I figure I'd toss this one out there, but my boyfriend is an exception because he's freakishly tall and most people when meeting him are really surprised by his height at first.
Amatsu is tall IRL so I bet everyone is short to him
However we are both from the same region and I would have to agree with what he is saying. I don't think he is saying they are really short but on a day to day basis, the people I see that are Asian are usually slightly short or just average height. Also I figure I'd toss this one out there, but my boyfriend is an exception because he's freakishly tall and most people when meeting him are really surprised by his height at first.
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Berserk wrote:
Well, there you go. 5'10 is even short to me.
5 inches shorter than me to be exact. xDMaybe I'm too tall to argue because pretty much everyone seems short to me except for my relatives who make up the vast majority of white people I talk to/see. I live in a heavily Hispanic part of Seattle and I don't see many white people unless I go downtown or something, which I rarely do. xD
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starving is funny.Just look at how they treated Jet Li in the movie "The Expendables".
I think the only girls that like asian men are girls already attracted to asian culture. Most people are the product of pop culture and western culture seems to consistently portray asian guys and their culture as less than so they tend to be ignored when not being mocked(think Bobby Lee on Mad TV).
Guys have more respect for asian culture usually because where as girls are often the PURE product of pop culture, guys are natural leaders and explorers of the strange and unique and many of us have found the adventure of learning eastern things very satisfying(hence every man's love for ninja, samurai, kung fu, and anything else loved in the west which comes strictly from the east).
Stereotypically, girls dont love kung fu(etc)...so western girls dont see a reason to look to asian men though they are just as appealing as any ethnic of men if you look among the finest.
Notice also that we(the west) always left the door open for asian women because guys tend to like all varieties of women considered attractive, rare, or exotic and asian women are considered sort of "delicacy"(aka fetish).(kind of like how we love our burgers and fries but youll always find a benni hanas or a chinese buffet somewhere for those of us with aquired tastes).
I think the only girls that like asian men are girls already attracted to asian culture. Most people are the product of pop culture and western culture seems to consistently portray asian guys and their culture as less than so they tend to be ignored when not being mocked(think Bobby Lee on Mad TV).
Guys have more respect for asian culture usually because where as girls are often the PURE product of pop culture, guys are natural leaders and explorers of the strange and unique and many of us have found the adventure of learning eastern things very satisfying(hence every man's love for ninja, samurai, kung fu, and anything else loved in the west which comes strictly from the east).
Stereotypically, girls dont love kung fu(etc)...so western girls dont see a reason to look to asian men though they are just as appealing as any ethnic of men if you look among the finest.
Notice also that we(the west) always left the door open for asian women because guys tend to like all varieties of women considered attractive, rare, or exotic and asian women are considered sort of "delicacy"(aka fetish).(kind of like how we love our burgers and fries but youll always find a benni hanas or a chinese buffet somewhere for those of us with aquired tastes).
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you beat me to itMissUMana wrote:
@Amatsu: Yeah, it's taken me a while to change my perception of "short". Pretty much everyone's shorter than me except a few of the D-1 basketball players I run into on campus. As far as girls go though, most Asian guys should be around their height or a bit taller.
WARNING: The following has no basis in reality whatsoever
EDIT: You guys were both waaay faster than me XD
WARNING: The following has no basis in reality whatsoever
J-mar wrote:
J-mar wrote:
J-mar wrote:
EDIT: You guys were both waaay faster than me XD
Also:
That sounded very racist but think about...you might find it truthful and helpful in understanding. Many asian musical acts have even tried to break through in the west...Hikaru Utada was so sure she could doing her duet with Foxy Brown on the Rush Hour Soundtrack but her US album flopped just like everyone elses likely will(Boa etc).
However her work in the game Kingdom Hearts has given her(if not a name) a voice grafted into western pop culture as many know of the song and find it to be amazingly beautiful and talented(hence everyone in my family doesnt know who she is but when they hear the song they smile and want to hear it again as they know it to be that cool song from "that asian Disney game").
It sucks that there is a wall...Yoshiki from X Japan spoke of this wall between east and west recently(as its obvious that Japan has little problem embracing western culture) and if anybody is likely to break a tremendous amount of wall down its likely to be him(via X Japan and Violet UK which are both now being aimed at western audiences). Even still he acknowledged that he could become a laughing stock to western audiences.
Again its like I said...guys are more adventuristic hence cats like Kanye West and Pharrel have done big promotion in Japan via the Bape clothing line and have collaborated with japanese rap group Teriyaki Boyz on multiple occastions rapping on their albums. Even Slash, an adventuring male persona, released his first single off his new album with a japanese vocalist singing in japanese.
The wall is soon to break...western culture is getting bored with its closed mindedness. Back when S.K.I.N. was about to do their US performance I remembered seeing Danny Trejo(from the movie "Machete") give a nice shout out on camera to Yoshiki as he was at the concert. When stuff like that is recorded and people see it, it tends to be very helpful in breaking walls...throw in the right celebrity and have yahoo news broadcast it and the wall just might break overnight. Quote me on that.
That sounded very racist but think about...you might find it truthful and helpful in understanding. Many asian musical acts have even tried to break through in the west...Hikaru Utada was so sure she could doing her duet with Foxy Brown on the Rush Hour Soundtrack but her US album flopped just like everyone elses likely will(Boa etc).
However her work in the game Kingdom Hearts has given her(if not a name) a voice grafted into western pop culture as many know of the song and find it to be amazingly beautiful and talented(hence everyone in my family doesnt know who she is but when they hear the song they smile and want to hear it again as they know it to be that cool song from "that asian Disney game").
It sucks that there is a wall...Yoshiki from X Japan spoke of this wall between east and west recently(as its obvious that Japan has little problem embracing western culture) and if anybody is likely to break a tremendous amount of wall down its likely to be him(via X Japan and Violet UK which are both now being aimed at western audiences). Even still he acknowledged that he could become a laughing stock to western audiences.
Again its like I said...guys are more adventuristic hence cats like Kanye West and Pharrel have done big promotion in Japan via the Bape clothing line and have collaborated with japanese rap group Teriyaki Boyz on multiple occastions rapping on their albums. Even Slash, an adventuring male persona, released his first single off his new album with a japanese vocalist singing in japanese.
The wall is soon to break...western culture is getting bored with its closed mindedness. Back when S.K.I.N. was about to do their US performance I remembered seeing Danny Trejo(from the movie "Machete") give a nice shout out on camera to Yoshiki as he was at the concert. When stuff like that is recorded and people see it, it tends to be very helpful in breaking walls...throw in the right celebrity and have yahoo news broadcast it and the wall just might break overnight. Quote me on that.
MissUMana wrote:
Take a look at the majority of planet earth...men tend to lead every platform there is. Men dominate in the field of cooking, in the field of music, in the family, in relationships, in changing culture, in creating laws, in governing nations, in starting wars, in fighting wars, in plotting crimes, in inventing things...etc.
How would justify this as not to be so? To say its wrong is fair but explain your reason please.
*note: the only choices you have are men, women, and children...the 3 dont chaotically go to and fro but procede in a motion often led by...children? Women? or men? I say men. Simplifying things often hold within profound insight.
Men rule only because it's a man's world, and everything is biased in their favour from the day they are born. Even their mothers consent, so it will never change. But power is not everything in life.
I like men A LOT, believe it or not. But there's no need for them to play it "Me Tarzan, you Jane", ok?
I like men A LOT, believe it or not. But there's no need for them to play it "Me Tarzan, you Jane", ok?