Moi dix Mois new album "D+SECT"

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Garnet in the Eden

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Taku wrote:
I don't think Mana's compositions decreased, I just don't like Moi dix Mois as much as I used to.
i suspect this is the problem with most people.
 

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Nocturne wrote:
But like others said, it sounds too similar. When I listen to the band by each separate song, I like it, but it gets hard for me to listen to too many songs in a row now. Which wasnt the case when they first came out.
I agree with this post in the now closed Aesthetics thread:

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It's quite intersting to see that people are bored to hear the same kind of songs and would prefer albums like Dix Infernal, which was actually the repetitive album of the band.
Not that I don't love DI. My favourite songs are spread all over M10M's albums, including DI, and when it first came out I listened to it non-stop for months. But I find it hard to understand that people hold it up as an example for variety when it only had hard fast guitar driven songs, except for Solitude.
 

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It's not an example of variety per se, it's an example of an album with strong solid songs, with great melodies.
 

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Camuflagem wrote:
It's not an example of variety per see, it's an example of an album with strong solid songs, with great melodies.
I am convinced Mana still compose marvellous songs with great melodies now. And even, for me, maybe better and better. But I think that Garnet in the Eden is right. A lot of people don't like MdM as much as they used to. It's normal that the tastes of people change, especially during the adolescence and the twenty. In fact, maybe, it's a luck for me that I discovered MM when I was already in my mid-thirties and more for MdM. Thus, I'll still love MdM for years and years and years ... :P
 

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I like MdM, just not enough to buy their CDs.

I prefer to support bands by going to their lives and buying merch.

You can't download a T-shirt ::cred::
 

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That's funny, I've always thought Seth sounded like the stereotype of a VK singer.

Dude, I think you need to know better Seth's career (except for AFTER IMAGE) and compare the VK stereotype vocals.

I agree that in Moi dix Mois he don't show the power of his voice, don't know why Mana don't let him sing but its one of the points that makes me don't like DIXANADU.
But for those previews, he had more freedom to sing, not to show his best, but at least he does more than he did in DIXANADU.
 

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I also agree with Garnet, I guess for many people out of Japan, MdM is part of their past... My personal preferences have changed a lot since I discovered all of this. Right now, I hardly listen to any visual anymore, and when I do, it's'more or less only "in memory of what I once loved"... I'm not saying I don't love MdM anymore, I can't imagine giving up on them, but I sure have changed. Also, given all the time that has passed since their last release, they probably don't have as many "new fans" as other bands,
 

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otterley wrote:
I agree that in Moi dix Mois he don't show the power of his voice, don't know why Mana don't let him sing but its one of the points that makes me don't like DIXANADU.
But for those previews, he had more freedom to sing, not to show his best, but at least he does more than he did in DIXANADU.
Actually, it's not a case of Mana not allowing him to show off the power of his voice. I remember Mana himself having the same complaint with Seth that he is too restrained and needs to learn to be a bit more wild.
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Right now, I hardly listen to any visual anymore, and when I do, it's'more or less only "in memory of what I once loved"
This is pretty much the only reason I still listen to Moi dix Mois and Malice Mizer. I've completely abandoned everyone else except them because they mean a lot to me.
 

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What does listening to other kinds of music has to do with liking M10M? So M10M listeners are only supposed to know only a handful of bands?
 

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Camuflagem wrote:
What does listening to other kinds of music has to do with liking M10M?
Nothing, we were just talking about something else. I said before that perhaps people just don't like Moi dix Mois much any more, then we got onto talking about how we (personally, not speaking for everyone else) have moved on from this kind of music but still love Moi dix Mois. I think.
 

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Fine rundown ^^

Camuflagem wrote:
So M10M listeners are only supposed to know only a handful of bands?
Who said that ? :shock:
 

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If you read some of the last comments, people say that the reason why many people don't appreciate M10M anymore is because they are listening to other kinds of music, and not VK anymore. It does not make sense for me, people can listen to many kinds of music at once. It's different when you don't like what some artist is putting out and when you are tired of listening their music for a while.

It sounds like if you listen to a lot of stuff (not only VK) you will get bored of M10M.
 

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Camuflagem wrote:
If you read some of the last comments, people say that the reason why many people don't appreciate M10M anymore is because they are listening to other kinds of music, and not VK anymore.
It's not that they're not listening to VK, it's that they're not into it, including Moi dix Mois. That's all we're saying.
 

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i can honestly say i'm not into VK anymore, even though i'd like to be. Moi Dix Mois and Versailles are literally the only VK bands i still listen to.
 

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I don't think I listen to as much VK as before, either. It's mostly just Dir en grey (but I don't think they can be considered VK anymore) GazettE and exist†trace (I was looking forward to their newest release more than D+Sect).

After a few more listens the samples sounded better, but in Dies Irae I could barely hear Seth's vocals. I think that's mostly one of the only things that's been bother me about the recent music is that the guitars drown out the vocals. :/ But I always get joy from the booklet, I loved a lot of the images in the slides.
 

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(to me) VK has always been about, well, the visual... most of the bands in the houses like rockmaykan, holiday etc. aren't very good and following trends, but that doesn't matter. As long as they have a ten minute scream only vocal rast songu and have a good Do then they are watchable.

The prob is that, as internatonal fans, you're (we're) a completely different target market for 99.9% of them. Most vanish without a trace. Hardly any group I saw in 06 and 07 would exist anymore. Most inbetween trips vanished as well. What the i18nites will see is the tip of the iceberg. vk is like any other local scene, hardly anyone will break out unless there's a phase.

if a live house had streaming once a week, that would be a good bridge. the positive economics of it... that would be one of the reasons why youtube et. al. isn't a well used medium except for the rips. it costs money to film/produce and youtube is giving product away for free; bands exist on their merch sales and again, those are local, not us.

in summary, 'moving on' can be somewhat attributed to not having enough exposure.

that and classical music always gets better and more listenable as one ages. its nice to know your becoming old.
 

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I also don't listen to VK much, unless it is a new release from some band i like. The new bands are so awful, and even some of the old ones that were good become so boring like DespairsRay or D.
 

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Vistlip has some good stuff as a newer VK band. There are some decent VK bands out, just have to look for them. Though it's like any type of music, there is alot of garbage to wade through
 

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I know this band, I dont like their music. I mean that VK scene is getting worse than ever, because in the 80's and 90's there were many good bands, and in the last years very few bands caught my attention, i think only art cube, deluhi, 9goats? And i don't even know if deluhi is active anymore. But even these bands aren't in the same level as Malice Mizer, Luna Sea or Buck-Tick's music.
 

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many people are just bashing M10M's new stuff/new stuff in general because they think they can look clever music experts when they do so. Also by praising the old stuff they can show they are amazing fans and that "they were there" when that stuff was released years ago.
Which IMHO is actually an epic fail if you consider that it would impossible for Mana to make something worse than the embarassing (but so much praised) Dix infernal.
 
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