Random Thoughts Showcase Spectacular

Status
Not open for further replies.

PureElegance

-eternite-
eternite
Joined
Jul 5, 2006
Messages
4,655
Location
In Klaha's Closet
Yeah, if we never made any compromise then why participate in politics at all?

I know I'll never be completely happy with anyone unless the candidate was myself.
That's why I don't really like politics sometimes because of all the compromises *sigh* It gets to be too much at some point.

Sort of unrelated, but that's why I didn't like it when McCoy was promoted to be the district attorney for Manhattan in "Law and Order." After that he had to be careful about what he did and said because of politics and all that, and I felt terrible. Where was my McCoy who would eat babies in the name of justice? Gone forever :|

So cold today ;_; I was walking with my friend because we wanted to continue our conversation about Bartolome de las Casas, and I was like, "I need to go I'm FREEZING." XD

EDIT: Not so cold anymore. This guy sitting next to me randomly told me this joke, "So there were two economists at a nudist colony. One says to the other, "Have you read Marx?" The other said, "Yeah, it must be the wicker chair."

.... *dead*
 

Iskanderia

-member-
-member-
Joined
Jan 30, 2007
Messages
2,506
Obviously I know that elections are pretty much always about the lesser of evils and there will never be a perfect candidate, but sometimes I dislike both candidates so much that it's not really about voting for the lesser of evils, but about voting for someone who I really can't stand.

And I disagree, Faith - people do give you shit if you say you aren't going to vote. Clearly the South Park example is a humorous exaggeration - I'm not saying it's a documentary.
 

Wandering_Fox

-current-
-current-
Joined
Dec 15, 2004
Messages
3,266
Location
Sitting in the Cookie Chair
PureElegance wrote:
OMG HOW DID YOU KNOW~ ::squee::

That was seriously great. When I saw this I was walking and I went "omg!" and died XD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBrQ6qNdpKg
Just a brilliant moment in history.
Right at a good time too because my feet are killing me! ;_; Why are my feet so sensitive right now, I wasn't even wearing high heels or flats!... So thanks for the cheering up XD
You know, I'm not entirely sure how I knew about this... I think I saw the name Leif Erikson on MSNBC and remembered he had a holiday, and when I googled it, it was 10/9/12. I remembered this from Spongebob and the rest is history~ Thank goodness we have memes to express feelings that simple text can't fully express, right? I'm glad it cheered you up!! :cool:
 

faith

-ok-
-ok-
Joined
Aug 5, 2004
Messages
5,388
Speaking of. Is it pronounced meh-m or mii-m?

No one cares when *I* say both candidates suck too much to vote for...but then. No one usually cares about anything I say or do. ::meev::
 

PureElegance

-eternite-
eternite
Joined
Jul 5, 2006
Messages
4,655
Location
In Klaha's Closet
I always pronounced it "meh meh" until recently, haha.

flowersofnight wrote:
PureElegance wrote:
I know I'll never be completely happy with anyone unless the candidate was myself.
Suddenly Obama and Romney don't sound so bad anymore ::erm::
Yeah I bet they don't, considering you'll be the only one in my male chauvinist pig concentration camp. ^_~
... I'll have Guantanamo Bay emptied and just stick you in there. I'll have full support of the people (women) on this.
I mean, oh my gosh, how can you say that, I hate you!!

No one said anything about this GREAT joke this guy told me so I'll just leave it here:
So there were two economists at a nudist colony. One says to the other, "Have you read Marx?" The other said, "Yeah, it must be the wicker chair."

*obsessed with Real Housewives of Miami* I actually SAW one of my lawyer idols Roy Black with Lea Black at a restaurant a few weeks ago, I should've said, "Mr. Black, I love your books!!! *___*" ::batsu:: XD
 

Cerceaux

-tea party-
-tea party-
Joined
Sep 14, 2007
Messages
2,540
Location
Bed
PureElegance wrote:
No one said anything about this GREAT joke so I'll just leave it here:
So there were two economists at a nudist colony. One says to the other, "Have you read Marx?" The other said, "Yeah, it must be the wicker chair."
Had to read this 3 times before I got it, but lol. :lol:

It's raining! And cold! I wore tights and a sweater yesterday for the first time in months. ::squee::
 

PureElegance

-eternite-
eternite
Joined
Jul 5, 2006
Messages
4,655
Location
In Klaha's Closet
Cerceaux wrote:
Had to read this 3 times before I got it, but lol. :lol:

It's raining! And cold! I wore tights and a sweater yesterday for the first time in months. ::squee::
Yeah, I didn't get it at first either and I think he was kind of disappointed ::meev:: BUT I got it and was like "oooohohohoho that's a good one!" XD I made sure to tell my friends this great joke.

It was way too windy yesterday even though I was bundled up. I wake up every day not wanting to get out of bed because it's so warm... unlike the rest of the apartment ;_;


They're having a traditional Peruvian music concert next week at my university, cool! ::squee::

They've also been having a Peruvian film festival, but I haven't seen anything yet. I want to see "Fitzcarraldo" though, another movie by Werner Herzog and this time it's about "an obsessive man with a dream to build an opera house in the wilds of Peru" so he attempts to get into the rubber business, but he has to drag a giant steamship up a hill to find rubber trees. ...Opera fans ::meev::
http://www.amazon.com/Fitzcarraldo-Klau ... B00001ODHV
 

Berserk

-member-
-member-
Joined
Apr 13, 2006
Messages
2,383
Location
Michigan
Iska wrote:
Gee, ya think "not even a little bit" is just a little bit of an exaggeration?
No. And here's why:
So no, Romney was not factual. At best, he made incomplete statements that on their own aren't false but give a misleading impression (like that last one about his plan covering preexisting conditions). I don't consider anyone to "win" a debate if they're factually wrong. Obama was less factual than he should have been too, but at least he wasn't inventing statistics and straight-up lying.

I'm not an avid supporter of Obama because he's a Democrat. I support him for specific reasons:

1. He is supportive of green energy and energy efficiency initiatives, which we desperately need more of if we want to avoid the worst effects of global warming.

2. He is supportive of gay rights, which should already be guaranteed under The Constitution but which Republicans will continue to deny.

3. He is supportive of abortion rights.

4. There will be at least one Supreme Court appointee under the next presidential term, possibly three. There will be many more court appointees in lower circuits. Congressional Republicans have blocked an unprecedented number of the President's judicial appointees because they're counting on Obama being a one-term president. If we have any hope of overcoming the Conservative nature that our courts have maintained since Reagan appointed so many justices, we need a Democrat to make more judicial appointees. If you support gay rights, abortion rights, campaign finance reform, etc. this should be the biggest issue in the campaign for you right now.

PE wrote:
I was originally a Hillary Clinton supporter, so I started out not wanting Obama from the get go
Really? Me too ::meev::

I think the whole "he made big promises that he failed to keep, he's Celebrity in Chief, blah blah blah" criticism was fair, but not anymore. Hardly anyone, even among diehard Democrats, are that starry-eyed about Obama anymore. Also, for the last two years he's had a Republican House that goes out of its way to block his initiatives. People act like he's a lame duck and a failure when Congress is obviously blocking his progress.

I do think he was a bit inexperienced and naive about working with Congress when he was first elected. What we need is a Democratic president like LBJ who has a lot of connections in Congress and a lot of Republicans who owe him favors. That kind of thing is rare to come by in this day and age though, because Congressmen don't get to know each other and work together like they used to. They just jet back to their hometowns every weekend.

I am not nor will I ever be a card-carrying Democrat. I wish we had a parliamentary system rather than winner-take-all system so that third, fourth, and fifth parties could have some influence. If we had such a system, I might be a card-carrying Green. Republicans are extremely for coal/oil/gas and extremely against anything that's environmentally prudent. They are also against equality for gays and the freedom to have abortions, which I think is totally unsupportable.

However, Iska, I will be voting in 2014 for one prominent Republican: Rick Snyder. Romney was considering him for a running mate. I don't agree with everything he's done, but his work on the bridge to Canada and standing up against the slumlord Matty Maroun in Detroit (who Tea Partiers love for some fucked up reason) has impressed me. I think he's good for Detroit and good for the state, and he actually stands up for environmental conservation because he's a businessman and nature tourism is big in our state. He's also a social moderate, which is important to me.

*About 15,000 companies received some money, hardly any went bankrupt, but Romney's campaign clarified that he was specifically talking about the DOE loan program (which was WAY less than $21 billion) which went to 26 companies.
 

flowersofnight

-moderator-
-moderator-
Joined
Aug 4, 2004
Messages
13,944
Location
Vintage Live House, 1994
Berserk wrote:
PE wrote:
I was originally a Hillary Clinton supporter, so I started out not wanting Obama from the get go
Really? Me too ::meev::
Where are all these Hillary fans coming from? XD I'm pretty sure the whole "Hillary would have been better" thing was a meme started by Rush Limbaugh to try to throw some monkey wrenches into the 2008 Democratic primary, and no one un-ironically likes her XD Most of the people I've ever heard speaking favorably of her are people who'd never in their life vote for someone with a D next to their name anyway.

Romney basically said that Obamacare will create death panels.
What amuses me is that people think we didn't already have death panels. Try racking up a few million dollars worth of charges on your private health insurance, even one of the "good" ones, and see what happens.

I wish we had a parliamentary system rather than winner-take-all system so that third, fourth, and fifth parties could have some influence.
I'm not entirely convinced that a parliamentary system is better. If you look at Israel, they often have the equivalent of a 49-49-1 split between the left-wing coalition, the right-wing coalition, and the loonies, so that last tie-breaking 1 they need to form a government gets influence way out of proportion to the actual votes they got. I personally also think confidence/no-confidence games are nonsense, but that's just me.
 

Iskanderia

-member-
-member-
Joined
Jan 30, 2007
Messages
2,506
@Berserk: I said I wasn't asking you to write an essay - just to really examine if you were being unfair and exaggerating when you said that Romney was not even a little bit factual. Whether you're a Democrat or not isn't really the point - it's still a matter of rooting for Your Guy.

But what you've said now sounds mostly reasonable.

I don't want to get into a big thing about the specifics (because why bother) but I just want to say something real quick about Obama and gay rights. He has done some good things for gay rights but he pretty much washed his hands of the issue of gay marriage by saying he would leave it up to the states to decide but still got the political benefit from saying he supports gay marriage without actually having to do anything with it. I think that's pretty shitty.

@Flowers: I preferred Hillary Clinton to Obama as well. And I've voted Democrat twice before.

@Wandering Fox: You don't actually mean that you get all your political theory soley from Stewart and Colbert, right? Right??
 

PureElegance

-eternite-
eternite
Joined
Jul 5, 2006
Messages
4,655
Location
In Klaha's Closet
Iskanderia wrote:
I preferred Hillary Clinton to Obama as well. And I've voted Democrat twice before.
(And to Berserk as well)
Yeah, practically everyone I knew loved Hillary and were Democrats, but when she lost it just went downhill with Obama. My whole family, who usually were Democrats, switched over to Republican in a second. And so began my journey of a mixed Republican/Democrat identity.

I still like Hillary very much. I'm just disappointed that things turned out the way they did. I'm even more disappointed that she's working for Obama, I don't know. After the horrible things the Obama campaign said about her, what the media said about her because they were all for Obama (about such stupid things like the way she dressed, oh my God, I get so upset when I think about this. This applies to Sarah Palin as well.), I don't know how she'd be able to work with them, much less endorse him.

And I was like "OK, maybe she can be VP!" But no, Joe Biden the loon was chosen. Did anyone see how much he kept cracking up during the VP debate? I couldn't watch because he kept smiling like it was all funny and I wanted to slap him. Geez, it's a debate, have some respect. o_O
 

flowersofnight

-moderator-
-moderator-
Joined
Aug 4, 2004
Messages
13,944
Location
Vintage Live House, 1994
PureElegance wrote:
And so began my journey of a mixed Republican/Democrat identity.
If your college knew that's why you checked "Multiracial" on your application, they'd flip out. Just saying.
 

Iskanderia

-member-
-member-
Joined
Jan 30, 2007
Messages
2,506
@PE: yeah, the jokes about Hillary's appearance made me want to kill people and there are plenty of reasons to rag on Palin but the comments about her looks were pretty disgusting.

Hillary was a good option for people who couldn't stand the hysteria surrounding Obama and his annoying swagger and were determined to not vote for someone just because of white guilt. Her outlook seemed more realistic and down to earth. If she'd gone up against McCain, I absolutely would have voted for her.


Biden's laughing and smiling during the debate was just gross. I had to turn it off after 20 minutes because it was making me so angry.
 

PureElegance

-eternite-
eternite
Joined
Jul 5, 2006
Messages
4,655
Location
In Klaha's Closet
Iskanderia wrote:
@PE: yeah, the jokes about Hillary's appearance made me want to kill people and there are plenty of reasons to rag on Palin but the comments about her looks were pretty disgusting.
I hate to be like this now, but this definitely happened because they're women as well as the whole double standard about their looks.
I know McCain was called a skeleton/dinosaur because of his age (somehow Obama being young automatically means he'll be an amazing president), but I don't think it was anywhere near to what Clinton/Palin were criticized about. It was just really disgusting and hard for me to hear. It wasn't even only about looks, but pretty much their entire behavior was criticized. When Clinton spoke she was compared to (even by the mainstream media) a "nagging wife" or a "scolding mother" and our dear Chris Matthews said she only had her Senate seat because of Bill "messing around," she was called ugly, her tone of voice was made fun of, she was said to be a man-hater, etc. Oh and when she teared up at one point, she's overemotional.

The egregious and by now familiar potshots are too numerous (and tiresome) to recount. A greatest-hits selection provides a measure of the misogyny: There’s Republican axman Roger Stone’s anti-Hillary 527 organization, Citizens United Not Timid, or CUNT. And the Facebook group Hillary Clinton: Stop Running for President and Make Me a Sandwich, which has 44,000-plus members. And the “Hillary Nutcracker” with its “stainless-steel thighs.” And Clinton’s Wikipedia page, which, according to The New Republic, is regularly vandalized with bathroom-stall slurs like “slut” and “cuntbag.” And the truly horrible YouTube video of a KFC bucket that reads HILLARY MEAL DEAL: 2 FAT THIGHS, 2 SMALL BREASTS, AND A BUNCH OF LEFT WINGS. And Rush Limbaugh worrying whether the country is ready to watch a woman age in the White House (as though nearly every male politician has not emerged portly, wearied, and a grandfatherly shade of gray). And those two boors who shouted, “Iron my shirts!” from the sidelines in New Hampshire. “Ah, the remnants of sexism,” Clinton replied, “alive and well.” With that, she blithely shrugged off the heckling.

It was hardly a revelation to learn that sexism lived in the minds and hearts of right-wing crackpots and Internet nut-jobs, but it was something of a surprise to discover it flourished among members of the news media. The frat boys at MSNBC portrayed Clinton as a castrating scold, with Tucker Carlson commenting, “Every time I hear Hillary Clinton speak, I involuntarily cross my legs,” and Chris Matthews calling her male endorsers “castratos in the eunuch chorus.” Matthews also dubbed Clinton “the grieving widow of absurdity,” saying, of her presidential candidacy and senatorial seat, “She didn’t win there on her merit. She won because everybody felt, ‘My God, this woman stood up under humiliation.’ ” While that may be partly true—Hillary’s approval ratings soared in the wake of l’affaire Lewinsky—Matthews’s take reduced her universally recognized political successes to rewards for public sympathy, as though Clinton’s intelligence and long record of public service count for nothing. Would a male candidate be viewed so reductively?

I think it was worse for Palin because she was a conservative woman, and we know that any woman who isn't 100% liberal must
1. Hate herself/have low self-esteem
2. Be brainwashed
3. Be stupid
etc etc.

I hear this sort of thing all the time, even at my university, and it's really gross. Especially when they insist they're so "tolerant" and "open-minded" since they're liberals. Anyways, I don't want to get into another rant about it, but I think that's why Palin had it even worse since she was a female conservative, and that's just "omg!" to a ton of people. As if a woman can't be conservative or not totally liberal. I think overall though, women have an especially hard time in politics because of the sexism, and if you're conservative or not a total liberal then it's even worse for you (most of our mainstream media and universities are liberal, being a total liberal is the cool thing to do, etc. so).

I wouldn't even call myself conservative, I'm just not a total liberal in some areas, but I'm just pointing out the type of behavior I see in real life and on the internet against conservative/not total liberal/Republican/traditional/etc women.

Don't even get me started about Bill Maher. I don't know who can even find him funny AT ALL, he was especially horrible to Palin for years, even making fun of her down syndrome baby multiple times. WTF I wanted to cry. And this year he called her a "dumb twat" and the c-word and somehow that's OK and funny to people because it's Sarah Palin the Stupid Republican Woman. I'm not saying Palin was the best person ever, but I think a lot of the attacks against her (and Hillary Clinton) were based on her gender and things unrelated to her political stance (like her looks) other than her being in the Republican party.

(I think Maher is just gross to all women in general though, but I'm just pointing out how when Rush Limbaugh says something it's the end of the world, but when it's Maher, who recently gave $1 million to Obama's PAC, saying something derogatory about a woman, it's OK and it's definitely not the same thing. It's awful how much sexism there is in media though, but I've never seen it as much as in the presidential campaigns.)

Hillary was a good option for people who couldn't stand the hysteria surrounding Obama and his annoying swagger and were determined to not vote for someone just because of white guilt. Her outlook seemed more realistic and down to earth. If she'd gone up against McCain, I absolutely would have voted for her.
Yup. I definitely would've wanted her over McCain as well.

Biden's laughing and smiling during the debate was just gross. I had to turn it off after 20 minutes because it was making me so angry.
I know, I don't even know what he was trying to come off as other than an ass. Is this seriously who would take over if Obama died? Good Lord.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtemaHgjyA
I really don't blame the GOP for making this ad, haha.

Some people (weirdos who will defend anything Obama/Biden does) are like "He was laughing at Ryan because Ryan's a liar/stupid, etc etc." Oh come on, you don't just keep laughing, interrupting, and smirking the entire time while your opponent is talking. That's just disrespectful and you look stupid.
 

Berserk

-member-
-member-
Joined
Apr 13, 2006
Messages
2,383
Location
Michigan
@flowers: I think I supported Hillary early on because she had a long track record in Washington and had actively worked to create a single-payer healthcare system. It wasn't that I was opposed to Obama at all (especially after McCain did what Romney's doing now and ditched his Moderate Republicanism), but it was true that he had less experience in Washington. He ultimately put a positive spin on that and it helped get him elected, but in the end it really was a weakness for him.

And I agree with everything else you said, except that not all parliamentary systems end up divided like Israel's. I would submit the Scandinavian parliaments as shining examples of the system gone right.

@Iska: I know you didn't want me to write an essay, but when you seem to have the impression that I'm not thinking about it objectively and simply going with my team I just feel obligated to show that yes. I've thought about it. I mean, of course I can't be 100% objective about politics because no one can. But I do think critically and weigh facts and policies over labels.

A lot of my friends rant about how evil and terrible Romney is, and I think that's ridiculous. I actually like what Romney did in Massachusetts and I'm sure he's a nice guy if you know him personally. But now that he's running for President it's his readiness to flip flop, kowtow to the Tea Partiers, and fudge the facts that really bothers me. It bothers me a lot more than Obama's airy-fairiness about Hope and Change ever could.

Your point about Obama's timidness with gay rights is fair. He has come out more forcefully in support of them now, though I think he only did that after he was sure he wouldn't lose support from the black community for it. Is that noble and pure? No. But this is politics.

Obama refuses to defend DOMA in court, he's overturned DADT, and if Congress acts on legalizing gay marriage nationwide (that'll be the day) we know now that he'll sign that into law too. Interestingly, Obama's new stance on gay rights is prompting a change in the attitudes of many blacks around the country. I view that as a good thing.

@PE: How can you be disappointed that Clinton became the Secretary of State?? Obviously Obama made jabs at her on the campaign trail--you know, just like she did to him? That's politics, it's not personal. Clinton has been an excellent Secretary of State. I think the arrangement is good for her, good for women, and good for the country.


Oh, and Biden gave Ryan the respect he deserved. Ryan really thought he was going to get away with criticizing the stimulus after personally requesting funds from it for his district? Ryan was really going to tell Biden of all people about a tragic car accident? And then Ryan starts dropping all this chain e-mail bullshit like: "Did you know Biden visited China and openly supported their one-child policy and forced abortion?" or "Did you know that Obama snubbed Netanyahu in New York to go on The View?"

Those lies are laughable. And this guy would be second in line for the Presidency if Romney won. What a terrible VP pick.
 

flowersofnight

-moderator-
-moderator-
Joined
Aug 4, 2004
Messages
13,944
Location
Vintage Live House, 1994
Berserk wrote:
And I agree with everything else you said, except that not all parliamentary systems end up divided like Israel's. I would submit the Scandinavian parliaments as shining examples of the system gone right.
Scandinavia is the "easy mode" of government, because they're small homogeneous (for now) peaceful countries full of rich white liberals XD
In practice I think we'd end up way closer to the Israel side of the spectrum, or even further. When we had the Senate split 50-50 back in the Bush administration (actually 50-49-1), it tied everything in knots as it was. If we had a parliamentary system, we would have had supply motions failing, governments falling every week, etc. Given our current total-war approach to politics I think the system we have is better because it simply grinds to a halt rather than creating active chaos.

As for Hillary Clinton: we already had 20 years of Bush-Clinton-Bush and that's plenty. What kind of banana republic are we? I'll never vote for Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, Chelsea Clinton, Jenna Bush, any remaining Kennedy, or Sasha or Malia Obama as long as there's anyone else qualified on the ballot. And yes, they will all run.
 

Iskanderia

-member-
-member-
Joined
Jan 30, 2007
Messages
2,506
@PE: I agree with every word of what you wrote (as I'm sure you know from our FB conversations). I can't shake this feeling that while most Americans have finally become ready for a (half)black president, we still aren't ready for a female president. It just saddens me so much.

I'm not saying, of course, that all Obama supporters chose him over Clinton simply because they're misogynists (that would make me as much of an asshole as the people who suggest that everyone who supported McCain did so because they're racists) but all the examples you gave (and plenty of others I've seen personally), should make it pretty obvious to anyone with the tools to spot sexism that a lot of people (yes, even liberals) still have problems with assertive and confident women, women who are not conventionally attractive, women who are conventially attractive and just the general idea of a woman having that much authority over men.

(I originally wrote a couple more long paragraphs here delving deep into feminist theory in an attempt to explain why this is, but I deleted it because, dear Christ, who do I think is really interested in reading all of that?)

Berserk wrote:
If you support gay rights, abortion rights, campaign finance reform, etc. this should be the biggest issue in the campaign for you right now.

I wasn't going to get too specific because I really don't care enough to turn this into a high-effort debate and I don't want to start a fight, but I keep thinking about this and it keeps bugging me.

Obviously I support gay rights and reproductive rights but I don't appreciate being told what issues should be the most important to me.

I reaaalllly doubt Roe v. Wade will be overturned any time soon. It seems like it would've happened by now if it were going to happen. Ever since I've been aware of politics (20+ years), the left has been trying to terrify women into voting Democrat by telling us that if we elect a Republican, we will go back to the days of coathangers and women dying in alleys. But it never happens. Imagine the riots. Sure, half of the country would be overjoyed, but the other half would burn the fucking country down.

As far as gay marriage goes, I feel fairly confident that once it makes it to the Supreme Court, the Court will rule in favor of it because I can't even imagine what kind of crazy mental gymnastics they would have to perform in order to stretch the Constitution into the service of denying gay rights. (Also, they upheld Obamacare so how unreasonably conservative are they really?)

Either way though, the most important issue to me is the economy because I have a mortgage, a home equity loan, two car payments, gas, oil, electricity, insurance, food, medical co-pays, internet, two phone plans, two cats (and some other things I'm probably forgetting right now) to pay for. Oh, and we're trying to have a kid and it looks like we're going to need to go with in vitro fertilization, which is very expensive (and then, of course, we will then have a child to support).

We are also small business owners in the hospitality and restaurant industries (which have been hit particularly hard) and our formerly moderately successful business has been on the verge of bankruptcy for the past 4 years. When my husband is actually able to collect a paycheck from the hotel, the government takes 27% of it.

Additionally, this area has always been shit for jobs, but it is particularly bad these days despite the most recent misleading figures Obama is bragging about. We are doing okay despite how bad this all sounds, but we are nowhere near as comfortable and financially confident as we once were.

So, it's fine for you, as a college student, to focus on the environment, abortion and gay marriage like they are the most important issues because you don't have the same kind of concerns and responsibilities as people my age do, but please don't tell me what should be the most important issue to me and my family until you've been out in the real world for a while. (Sorry if that sounded rude. I tried to figure out a way to say it delicately, but I don't know that I succeeded).


faith wrote:
Romney took one trip to England and pissed them off. That's one of our strongest allies too. It got mw thinking. He also lies and offshores jobs = ruins the econo. I dunno. Obama might have let me down on a lot of stuff and he may be ineffective, but at least he's not a cunt.

I keep thinking about this too though I won't write an essay about it. I just wanted to point out that Obama has pissed off our allies (including the UK) plenty. What about that shit he just pulled with Netanyahu where he said he was too busy to meet with him (despite our important relationship with Israel) and then went on The View to get blown and went to a bunch of fundraisers where he got to hang out with celebrities?* I think he's a pretty big cunt too.

But it's cool if you don't agree. *shrug*


And I can't seriously be the only one who is really disgusted by how the Libya attack has been handled, can I?

*I wrote this before Berserk mentioned this. I don't know how this is whacky chain-email stuff. It happened. It's not something your crazy conservative aunt made up. It's been reported in all kinds of news media on both sides. Obama said he didn't have time to meet with Netanyahu but he had time to go on The View and make jokes about just being there as eye candy.
 

sailorKa

-member-
-member-
Joined
Oct 15, 2004
Messages
1,887
Location
Venezuela....
Iskanderia wrote:
There's another option: you could refuse to vote for either of them! *gasp* Shocking, I know. People act like it's a cardinal sin to not vote, but I refuse to be bullied into voting for someone I don't fully believe in just because they are the lesser of two evils. It's a matter of principle for me. I plan on voting for some of our local seats but I'm abstaining from voting for president.

If I lived in a swing state where my vote could actually matter, I might feel differently, but CT and NY are firmly blue states (at least for the president - some of the smaller elections go to Republicans occasionally), so it's not like our votes will have any bearing on anything anyway.
Im kind of shocked to read this, honestly. :| D:
I'm sure in a big "First World" country like USA it may not matter as much but still...yikes. Cuz yeah, you may say ppl give you the stink eye when you say you're not voting but truth of the matter is that in general, voter turnout in a "democratic" country like USA is remarkably low(48%? REALLY, NORTH AMERICA???!)

Voting is so sacred and important to me. I grew up fearing that by the time I was of age, elections would've vanished from my country. As it is, I grew up fearing elections of all kinds.
Fearing and distrusting the system which promises complete voter secrecy but goes around and discloses the names and IDs of millions of Venezuelans who were against Chávez, who for speaking their mind were fired from their jobs and called "Terrorists" and "traitors to the motherland" by the 'president' - DICTATOR, I will always say - via the Lista Tascón.
Close family members of mine lost their jobs back in 2004 due to all this mess. It also fueled the fear in millions of people to vote FOR the president even if they were against him for fear of him finding out and then getting [them] fired from their jobs.

Despite all this and despite growing up seeing rigged elections and people losing their jobs, the day I turned eighteen I went out to vote. I have gone out to vote for every single election. Every primary, every insignificant ballot, and since last week, every presidential election as well.
Because to me voting feels like a privilege. "I can still vote", I tell myself. I stood almost 3 hours under the sun last week (and I had it easy, some friends got sunburnt from 5) to exercise my right to vote. And so did 90% of my country.
Elections, specially presidential ones, are so, so, so, so important to me that I cant fathom how someone could just not vote because of apathy or distrust. Obviously things must be different for other countries but like I said, given my situation, its hard to imagine.
Hell, Chávez shut down the Venezuelan consulate in Miami so that the 200,000+ Venezuelan expats in FL wouldn't vote and they all started organizations and fund-raised and drove(in cars or buses for 10+ hours), flew and went to the Consulate in New Orleans just to vote.

If you hadn't noticed, Im still very angry about the elections last week so this is more than half just a rant about Venezuela than a rant about people who dont vote, but my point still stands.
I think voting is really, really important and a right that shouldn't be taken for granted.

And if anyone cares about what happened here, we lost the elections against Chávez which means that he gets to be "president" for six more years, which would put him in power for 21 years(he's gone for 14 already, since his first mandate was for 5 and he changed the constitution to allow endless reelections). I was NINE when he got into office and I will be THIRTY by the time I get to vote against him again.
Does this sadden me? demoralize me? bring me down? fuck yes.
But I will still go and vote every single time because voter apathy is exactly what monsters like Hugo Chávez Frías feed upon. ::hora::

--k
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top