Who's to say? Beyond the obviously un-dateable people who make their fail-itude public, who knows what they're really like?faith wrote:you know, I wonder how many people on the forum would actually date one of the artists we feature...pole time?
flowersofnight wrote:Bleahhhh don't get me started XDshazzer wrote:the band dudes they like (and want to date)
OMG Allison is going back to China for 8 months! She said I should apply for her program because she knows I love China and she did it last minute, but she's going to go!MissUMana wrote:I don't know the south of France (went there only once when I was 9), but of course Paris is by no means France. The real country is very different.
"Smith was so out of character in this movie, its ridiculous. While I was watching it, I was constantly thinking, "John Smith would NEVER EVER say or think that! EVER!" That also includes all the corny puns and one-liners."I love the original movie. And in this one when they're trying to get it correct historically they don't understand what they're doing to the fans of the first. What they did to lessen the blow was make John a complete ass of himself. I mean that last scene? Surrounded by women and then comes out and starts saying "I'm getting a boat! My dreams.. er, I mean.. OUR dreams are coming true and blah blah blah ass ass ass." Now that, my friend, was a slap in the face.
"I agree because they obviously changed John Smith's character so we were forced and encouraged to like the other John better. I never thought Disney would sink that low."I absolutely loved John in the first movie and didn't really like him in the sequel. I'm totally upset that Disney distorted his character in the sequel. We all know John from first movie would've never treated or acted like the way he did in sequel. Pocahontas and her people were important to him because he cared and loved Pocahontas. He would've done anything for her no matter what. In the sequel John was just not himself at all. I don't know if the separation of that many years away from Pocahontas did something to him or what? Anyhow we know he would've never given up on Pocahontas or let her go that easy.
In addition, these changes have also had a negative impact on the characters, many of whom have become quite two dimensional. In particular, the witty, devoted John Smith has become a "punny" self-focused character who is only really involved for supposed comic relief, so that the viewers will warm up to John Rolfe, the new romantic hero. Pocahontas also comes across as a little fickle.
Yes, the plot is interesting enough, but it doesn't hold a candle to the emotional roller-coaster of the original, and I think that is why I dislike it. It's too inconsistent and, to be frank, I like to just pretend it doesn't exist. The first movie had a perfect, albeit bittersweet, ending.
"Before, he did everything for her, but in the 2nd movie, he didn't even write! He wanted to travel the world and really, its not the same man who wanted to fall in love with her land, and the princess herself. It just...wasn't the same."It wasn't even Pocahontas running off with Rolfe that pissed me off, but the fact that they totally messed up John Smith's original character by making him into this arrogant, full of himself guy just in an attempt to make us like Pocahontas/Rolfe better. If that couple is honestly that amazing, you won't have to ruin a completely amazing character just to attempt to make another man look better. Talk about character discontinuity.
The problem here is that in pocahontas 2 theres a discontinuity of time. In second part seems that love story between pocahontas and smith never happened. In pocahontas 2 they fucked up character of simth cause originaly he is a charming dashing and sensitive man not an egocentric careless man just to make rolphe "the better" option
The worst thing is not the songs or clumsy animation and not even her heart-changing (though I felt like my heart was broken at 13 years old, when I watched that sequel of my before-that-day-favorite animated movie). No, the REALLY worst part is that in P2 they decided to make John Smith a cocky, arrogant ass*ole in-love with himself. So the audience won't feel hurt P left him for some plain mr. 'nice-guy'. The cheap trick, offensive to anyone who watched and loved the first movie.
"I agree so much! Smith was trying to get back to her, but had to hide so why blame him? And I kept waiting for John Smith to be more like himself. To fight for her. He was supportive in the first movie. They promised forever."John Smith and Pocahontas had a beautiful, classic Disney love. They were the original movie, and the second movie was completely unlike everything Disney stands for. For the first time, a Disney 'Prince/Princess' couple was broken up. It was a complete derailment of characters as well. And you should listen to 'If I never knew you' if you don't believe Smith loved Pocahontas and expressed it.
Psh are you kidding? She's not even going to see Pocahontas 1, let alone 2faith wrote:Hear that Hanachan? No Disney sequels for Matilda.
Oh man, that stuff's the best XDshazzer wrote:Last time, I gave one of them Lebkuchen
You don't understand, Pocahontas II is REALLY bad XD That was the whole point of my post, is how it's been singled out for things other than how sequels generally suck. I've seen the Cinderella, Aladdin, Little Mermaid, Mulan, etc ones, but Pocahontas II is the worst one I (and others) have ever seen. My friends and I can rant about it for days. It really is against everything Disney stands for and it's a big slap in the face to fans.faith wrote:Well yeah the sequels are always a huge let-down. And the animation sucks.
It's REALLY bad not because of the animation or songs, but the idea behind it and the characters. If they ever did a sequel to Sleeping Beauty, having Philip and Aurora break up, her going off with a pig, and Philip suddenly becoming a jerk/fool would be the equivalent.The widely-derided Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World, a film that typically puts in an appearance somewhere on "Worst Disney Sequels" lists, and has been attacked with a ferocity typically reserved for the perpetrators of war crimes.
It's amazing that happened! I was so taken with how he was singing, in the park as if no one was around, and I was hushed. I wrote, "I was mesmerized."--wow! He sang other songs from Les Mis, but I always remembered "I Dreamed a Dream," and that's the one people asked him to sing. Especially this part:The best time though was when Strickland, Corinne, and I left and walked through Changfeng Park. Then, on the street, Strickland started singing "I Dreamed a Dream" from Les Mis. It was beautiful. He was so natural and carefree and the sun was shining.
We walked through one of ECNU's gardens, and I got a video of him walking and singing. He said he was asked once to make the songs sound happier, and he said no.He slept a summer by my side
He filled my days with endless wonder
He took my childhood in his stride
But he was gone when autumn came
And still I dream he'll come to me
That we will live the years together
But there are dreams that cannot be
And there are storms we cannot weather
I had a dream my life would be
So different from this hell I'm living
So different now, from what it seemed
Now life has killed the dream I dreamed
shazzer wrote:@ faith yes, that is cute, that is why i love to go to the restaurant. i wish i were less shy when i meet this guy. i have met a lot of vk guys and talked to them without problems, but whenever i meet him...
i always like to bring something from my area. most people think we only have beer and sausage over here and eat and drink it all day long.
I didn't see the second one yet so hush~ I didn't feel like it dragged on. I just didn't find the first 30 minutes entertaining and I told myself, "OK I know I'm going to fall in love with these guys and one will probably die so I'll wait it out" and it was true. Maybe I didn't like it at first because Frodo was there for a few minutes.Cerceaux wrote:PE: I agree the first Hobbit movie had some pacing issues. It really felt like they were dragging it out in parts. I just saw the second one a couple days ago, and even though it was almost 3 hours long it moved the story along a lot more effectively even though they still added stuff in.
The Hobbit (book) is definitely more lighthearted than the trilogy. They actually made it a fair bit more serious in the movies, but still not as much as LOTR. It has a different feel even though there are a lot of thematic similarities.
This looks like a definite step up from TIMES SCAREPureElegance wrote:I'm having my birthday at the Jekyll and Hyde Restaurant and Bar
Yeah, but I still found it ridiculous how they had to turn every step Thorin & Co. took into some super-epic gigantic fight scene. The Hobbit just wasn't supposed to be that kind of movie. I'll admit the river barrels scene was amusing though XDCerceaux wrote:I just saw the second one a couple days ago, and even though it was almost 3 hours long it moved the story along a lot more effectively even though they still added stuff in.
My beef with the first movie is that they did this but it felt like the story went nowhere. Like they walk, then fight, walk, fight, etc. The second movie kept this same formula, but they actually got somewhere and covered more events from the book.flowersofnight wrote:Yeah, but I still found it ridiculous how they had to turn every step Thorin & Co. took into some super-epic gigantic fight scene.
Sorry, maybe after I finish some more Pocahontas 2 research for my paper.Cerceaux wrote:PE, hurry up and pick some fabric for that pillow ring thing!
I cried more at this than I did at the first one, my Mum asked me what was wrong and I told her that John Smith wasn't dead but that Pocahontas didn't love him any more. It broke my heart.
Pocahontas: "Where do I go from here?" Me: Let me tell you. BACK TO JOHN SMITH.
John Smith was a great man and in sequel he is a jerk, who (SOMEHOW) forget about woman, that loved him, changed him so much and risked her life too for him. Should I be fine about some horrible sequels of classical animation films that destroyed my childhood's OTP?
Pocahontas and John Smith were perfect. PERFECT. It was a beautiful story, it didn't even NEED a sequel, for pete's sake, let alone a sequel where she decides she likes a different white guy more than John Smith, the coolest one of all. I'M MAD EVERY TIME I THINK ABOUT IT
rolfe just waltzed right in and expected her to fall in love with him when pocahontas (AND THE REST OF THE WORLD) already fell in love with smith.
This is why I hate this movie. They completely ruined Pocahontas' and Smith's characters. They turned Smith into a complete asshole and they turned Pocahontas into a brainless damsel who throws away love on a whim. God it infuriates me. I avoided it for years and wish I'd have continued to. It ruined my childhood memories of the original, which is a classic.
Now if John Smith would have been really been dead I think that would have been better because it would have been the whole "GO ON WITH OUT ME AND DON'T FORGET TO LOOOOOOOOOVE". But having John Smith go from saying things like "I'd rather die tomorrow than live a hundred years without knowing you" to saying things like "This has always been my dream...I mean.. OUR dream!" I just...what?
John Rolfe!! That name is the biggest insult I can bestow upon a human being. Pocahontas 2 is to blame for this.
I watched Coded Lock's review (he reviewed a lot of my favorites, like Titanic: The Animated Movie) and I love this:They made Pocahontas dress 'normal' and she breaks into song a lot (it wasnt a good song) I dont know they just messed it up, John Smith was acting completely different, snobby, sassy, bossy.
faith wrote:shazzer wrote:... i always like to bring something from my area. most people think we only have beer and sausage over here and eat and drink it all day long.
Well, you have to admit, you DO have a heck of a lot of beer and sausages.
Aww you have a crush though! Do you have any idea if he's at all interested in you?
I picked up Michan to kiss her little pink nose and she burped in my face >_<