Can we clarify the youtube rule?

[Elec]

I understand the idea behind the 'no youtube' rule... lots of the videos up there are from stuff that's in print and thus buy...able. purchasable.

But anyway. That's clearly not the site's intended use, nor was the link shenlong gave taboo: it was some dude's recording of himself. I thought that when implemented the rule was a simple knee-jerk reaction, but I held my tongue because I didn't think we'd run into any issues with it, but with this I really just wanted to clarify why. I mean, we don't superficially allow file-sharing info or bootleg info or any of that thing, but we realize people do it on the side and we're sort of fine with that, nudgenudgewinkwink.

I guess it also doesn't line up with the fact that we're okay with yousendit and megaupload.

I dunno. Thoughts? Thanks.

 

[flowersofnight]

I mean, we don't superficially allow file-sharing info or bootleg info or any of that thing, but we realize people do it on the side and we're sort of fine with that, nudgenudgewinkwink.

Yeah, but I'd prefer that it be left on the side rather than posted up for everyone.

The difference between Youtube and Yousendit etc. is that Yousendit is for only one specific file, whereas Youtube is more like a whole file-sharing service in my estimation.

 

[navate]

The thing with Youtube is that once you are linked to it, you can type anything in the search field and pull up inprint material. Although the site's purpose isn't to provide bootlegged videos, in the end it's not different than linking to a torrent site--just because the torrent linked is out of print, doesn't mean it's not giving access to other material that IS in print.

Yousend it is fine because, to my knowledge, you can't really search through the files and pull up anything you want. It's limited to whatever YOU upload, and who you give the link to, thus regulated. So posting a yousendit link of a televised appearence isn't going to lead people to links to inprint stuff like posting a youtube link would.

Besides, I personally like the downloads to consist of things our own members have to contribute--not stuff to be leeched off of people not a part of the community.

 

[flowersofnight]

*MOD DOUBLE TEAM FORMATION* XD

Besides, I personally like the downloads to consist of things our own members have to contribute--not stuff to be leeched off of people not a part of the community.

I just wanted to second this. Original stuff is always better than other people's stuff, and stuff that people made a thoughtful decision to share is better than "random stuff I found online".

 

[Elec]

But you can't download or share stuff from youtube. Unless you can? I don't think you can. Although if you can, then I can see why.

And I can give you a jillion yousendit links that I see in LJ communities that are for in-print material. :-*

 

[flowersofnight]

But you can't download or share stuff from youtube. Unless you can? I don't think you can. Although if you can, then I can see why.

You can with a minimum of know-how; there are sites out there that walk you through the whole process. It's not 100% straightforward but very doable.

 

[Elec]

...whereas with yousendit you just click it and it goes... which is much easier than whatever it takes to rip a file from youtube... which it seems like you can't do without hackery.

I'm not saying the rule shouldn't be in place, but that it could stand some lightening on the stance. 's'all 'm'sayin'.

 

[faith]

but at the same time there are a lot of informational videos...for example, I recently found an amazing documentary the Japanese did on lolitas and bandgirl. Like, they even recognized the style was connected to the music! Stuff like that's going to really put a stop to all that "these girls cut their wrists and kill their parents" nonesense...were there no youtube, I would never have seen it. They also had some clips of the original 70's shojou idols...

Is preventing people from linking the site, just so others would download things (which they can probably get from other download sites or from friends anyway) really worth the loss of knowlege and media history?

EDT: And being a sharing community is nice and all, but if we limit ourselves to what we have here...well...I don't plan to...

 

[flowersofnight]

...whereas with yousendit you just click it and it goes... which is much easier than whatever it takes to rip a file from youtube... which it seems like you can't do without hackery.

But we can distinguish between permissible and impermissible Yousendit links, and disallow only the in-print stuff. We can't separate out Youtube that way.

 

[Wandering_Fox]

Personally, I think with all the hype youtube is getting, everyone here knows about it ^^; If you want to search for something using it, by all means go ahead =) The rule says no youtube links here, but no one can limit if you actually go to the site or not, you just can't post about it here ^___^

Maybe if you want to show the forum, you can take it off youtube with the help of one of those sites mentioned above and post it here if it's not in print? I don't know ^^;

 

[Orchid]

Stuff like that's going to really put a stop to all that "these girls cut their wrists and kill their parents" nonesense...

I don't mean to make a post irrelevant to the topic, but this comment really stood out to me. Is that really what's sometimes said, and thought of lolitas in more conservative Japanese culture? There are parts of America that draw similar conclusions to people who just happen to wear a black t-shirt for more than one day during the week, let alone the ones who take the whole Goth or similar countercultures "alternative lifestyle" seriously. Really, we should make a new thread or something; this is really interesting.

 

[faith]

EDITED:

Back in the fall of 2003 there was a girl from Oosaka who wore gothic lolita clothing, listened to jrock...and had a web site devoted to wrist-cutting. In fact, from what I heard when I asked people, it was the hub of a community for wristcut pictures.

I'm not sure exactly what happened, but I think she and her boyfriend wanted to live together, and then commit suiside together, and her parents were opposed to the idea. So he killed them with her consent. The media then used this to bash gothic lolitas, lolita clothing, and the visual kei music industry in general.

I'd say it's about half/half now, especially since lolita's been getting such positive coverage as a fashion style original to Japan which is now affecting even the Paris runways (they don't seem to recognize Gwen's related to lolita). A lot of girls 16-25 like it but are afraid to try it, but others (esp. older people and men) who read the paper still remember the incident and negatively stereotype them subconsciously. Of course, there are other reasons but...

Oh, but not everyone thinks that way! Some people really do find it lovely despite their age.

 

[Orchid]

So it wasn't only the clothes, and the music that it's commonly attributed to on its own; it was something that had happened that brought it out into the mass public in a way that condescended it in their eyes before it even got an unbiased impression. That sounds familiar...remember what happened in 1999 when the shooters at Columbine High School made their mark in history, and although they weren't even involved in the trench coat group, and weren't into anything the news could call "goth", they purported it that they were, and a backlash against it all surged through the country? I've had some personal experience with prejudice, and misjudgment because of other's actions, and because of simply my identity, too. Maybe we've more in common with the lolitas than both they and I thought?

I'm sorry again for spamming this thread. >__<

 

[faith]

...well, I'll let someone move it over if they feel the need I suppose...
But yes, I do remember. I've been reading a book that talked about that and the effects it had on people and their impressions. In England, apparently, the newspaper coverage of the incident lead many goths to write to the newspapers in defence of their subculture (and in disgust of americans not taking responsibility for their own cultural/arms policy issues XD). In that case, it might have actually helped the gothic scene.

As far as I can tell, none of that happened in the gothic lolita case...I wish I had better access to the newspaper archives But still, it doesn't seem a very Japanese thing to do, defending subcultural styles that make people stand out from the crowd. They were probably already seen negatively for not conforming to society and fooling around, and this event was such a good story because it fed into already existing aprehensions about the youth of Japan, generation gaps, hikikomori, etc etc. Anyway...um...buy my book when it comes out if you're really interested? *laughs*
...if I can get it published...

 

[Orchid]

Anyway...um...buy my book when it comes out if you're really interested? *laughs*
...if I can get it published...

You mean...I wouldn't get a free copy? ;o;

Kidding aside, I really would be interested, though. I'm by no means a journalist, or a writer of any sort for that matter, but I'd like to compose something detailing my experience (it was actually just under a year ago; last April, when this thing had hapened to me) with how events such as these impact society, and how it can bring much misfortune, and inconvenience to the unlucky - and I'm positive that many could relate. I think that you'd find it interesting, yourself, but I hesitate to post it here on a public Internet message board.

 

[navate]

Personally, I think with all the hype youtube is getting, everyone here knows about it ^^; If you want to search for something using it, by all means go ahead =) The rule says no youtube links here, but no one can limit if you actually go to the site or not, you just can't post about it here ^___^

Exactly. Loopholes, people. Loopholes.

Maybe if you want to show the forum, you can take it off youtube with the help of one of those sites mentioned above and post it here if it's not in print? I don't know ^^;

If you're tech-savvy like thtr, by all means. Youtube is a great site; it's just the lack of regulation that keeps it from being posted here. Especially with Jrock--to post a link to e televised interview means to get nothing but DVD rips in the "related video" list on the same page, which is no different than linking directly to inporint material. But if people are able to rip an out-of-print video and put it on yousendit instead... why not? It's Youtube, not the video itself, we don't allow. Besides, we'll hardly know the difference.

 

[Elec]

I still think the reasoning is extremely convoluted, but the decision stands, I guess.

 

[haetae]

so we CAN'T link rare files from youtube.com?
'cause a while ago, i did make a thread linking to the site with a Tetsu live of Baroque...