Fry screams/growls

Vana Nihil

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It piqued my interest some time ago, but I think that Ryux's screams are not very good, to be honest K's weren't either, only one MdM's vocalist whom I ever heard pull a proper fry scream/growl was Juka (check unmoved from his last live with MdM)
 

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Well, I think it's been a common complaint/observation since day one with Moi dix Mois - if you're a metal connoisseur (which I myself am not), the technical aspects of the "metal stuff" probably won't hold up when compared to the genre standard. I've also heard it said that the various drummers' blastbeats were weak by metal standards. I think it's fair enough to say that M10M is metal-style Mana music rather than Mana-style metal.
 

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to be honest K's weren't either, only one MdM's vocalist whom I ever heard pull a proper fry scream/growl was Juka
This fishing fandom is becoming more and more shameless. ::zetsubou::

(check unmoved from his last live with MdM)
Ok, if you're saying about UNMOVED is probably one of the best demonstrations of Juka's vocals, given that it's probably one of the most complicated songs to sing live because of the abrupt change of vocals from one verse to the next. I agree in parts, Seth's voice wasn't made for gutturals, I think it suits songs like Tentation (Last Tentation) much more, if you listen to the old Art Cube songs... It's more for a rhythm that's not so fast and for stable tones in the voice.

if you're a metal connoisseur (which I myself am not)
just a little melodic dramatic vampire guitar enthusiast ::mana::
I've also heard it said that the various drummers' blastbeats were weak by metal standards. I think it's fair enough to say that M10M is metal-style Mana music rather than Mana-style metal.
That's true. Mana has always been a big fan of Slayer and Slayer has a lot of those drums that you just bang on them with no rhythm (one of the reasons I don't like Detresse so much, although the organ intro is very good), but I believe that the vision of metal that Mana wants to achieve (especially on the first albums) is more similar to Slayer's, which is Thrash Metal.
One of the biggest criticisms that non-Vkei people have of the albums (in particular Dix Infernal) is that it merges too many genres and ends up being a mess, a Mana-Metal. Do you have sections of thrash metal and then symphonic metal? That doesn't sit well with many "metal" heads who are comfortable with just one genre in one song.

Those who listen to Slayer don't want to listen to Moi dix Mois, but those who listen to Moi dix Mois would easily listen to Slayer, because it's so inspired and you can see this!

Returning to the vocal techniques, K has good techniques for screaming, Juka too, but this is a consequence of Juka's own voice, which is deeper than Seth's. The low notes are easier to achieve, perhaps because Seth isn't interested in learning? Since his career as Z or Seiji has never explored these sides of metal.

His intro on the new JVM single is good, though.
 

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Mana seems so happy with that music style but gosh I think many of us don't like that "metalish" style :( I truly don't like MdM anymore but yeah, I still want to see them live again but never ever I listen to them on my free time or when you are working and put some music for distraction/concentration or on the bus/metro xd
 
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