It piqued my interest some time ago, but I think that Ryux's screams are not very good, to be honest K's weren't either, only one MdM's vocalist whom I ever heard pull a proper fry scream/growl was Juka (check unmoved from his last live with MdM)
Fry screams/growls
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Well, I think it's been a common complaint/observation since day one with Moi dix Mois - if you're a metal connoisseur (which I myself am not), the technical aspects of the "metal stuff" probably won't hold up when compared to the genre standard. I've also heard it said that the various drummers' blastbeats were weak by metal standards. I think it's fair enough to say that M10M is metal-style Mana music rather than Mana-style metal.
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This fishing fandom is becoming more and more shameless.
Ok, if you're saying about UNMOVED is probably one of the best demonstrations of Juka's vocals, given that it's probably one of the most complicated songs to sing live because of the abrupt change of vocals from one verse to the next. I agree in parts, Seth's voice wasn't made for gutturals, I think it suits songs like Tentation (Last Tentation) much more, if you listen to the old Art Cube songs... It's more for a rhythm that's not so fast and for stable tones in the voice.
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That's true. Mana has always been a big fan of Slayer and Slayer has a lot of those drums that you just bang on them with no rhythm (one of the reasons I don't like Detresse so much, although the organ intro is very good), but I believe that the vision of metal that Mana wants to achieve (especially on the first albums) is more similar to Slayer's, which is Thrash Metal.
One of the biggest criticisms that non-Vkei people have of the albums (in particular Dix Infernal) is that it merges too many genres and ends up being a mess, a Mana-Metal. Do you have sections of thrash metal and then symphonic metal? That doesn't sit well with many "metal" heads who are comfortable with just one genre in one song.
Those who listen to Slayer don't want to listen to Moi dix Mois, but those who listen to Moi dix Mois would easily listen to Slayer, because it's so inspired and you can see this!
Returning to the vocal techniques, K has good techniques for screaming, Juka too, but this is a consequence of Juka's own voice, which is deeper than Seth's. The low notes are easier to achieve, perhaps because Seth isn't interested in learning? Since his career as Z or Seiji has never explored these sides of metal.
His intro on the new JVM single is good, though.
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Mana seems so happy with that music style but gosh I think many of us don't like that "metalish" style 
I truly don't like MdM anymore but yeah, I still want to see them live again but never ever I listen to them on my free time or when you are working and put some music for distraction/concentration or on the bus/metro xd
I truly don't like MdM anymore but yeah, I still want to see them live again but never ever I listen to them on my free time or when you are working and put some music for distraction/concentration or on the bus/metro xd
I seem to like more the Mana-ish metal. I’m not really focused in only one genre of metal so I listen to one song from each band, then another, but Moi dix Mois remains my favorite, for me the only way I can enjoy their is by putting it 100% volume in my old ahh wired headphones that I use for school. 
I personally think Juka was the best vocalist for Moi dix Mois but Ryux and Seth aren’t that bad, I also enjoy sometimes only the melody of the song itself so there’s no worries on the fry screams or growls.
I personally think Juka was the best vocalist for Moi dix Mois but Ryux and Seth aren’t that bad, I also enjoy sometimes only the melody of the song itself so there’s no worries on the fry screams or growls.
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It depends the vibe.
Moi dix Mois is still good, even though there's nothing new except for the JVM project, which was very good!
Moi dix Mois has become more of a “lifelong fan”, I've always listened to it, since the band's creation, since Voice from Inferno, since the books. I don't know if I'm capable of letting go in this way, more because of the nostalgic appeal and the attachment to songs I've always heard.
Although I am a metal connoisseur and I got to the MdM and later Malice Mizer, and many other older bands, because someone under the Dimmu Borgirs song commented about the Prophet by MdM, I am speaking more from the perspective of someone who has somewhat proper technique, and to be honest it hurts me to hear how Ryux tortures his vocal cords because of improper technique, and well... it sounds weak, and inconsistent.
In terms of gutturals/growls/screams etc. I don't think it's about if the voice is made for it, since it's always about the knowledge of the proper technique.
As I said before, it's about the technique because if you want to growl, your vocal cords has to stiffen and the vibration is provided by the airflow around them, pushed by the diaphragm or they don't engage at all and the vibration is provided by your false vocal cords. Juka could pull this off. But Seth and Ryux can't, they are just straining their vocal cords in attempt to imitate it, and its not really worth it, it's off-puting. And I am saying this as someone who absolutely adore Mana-Metal, damn, I went there to look if there is any hint of new MdM material.
Not a single solitary whisper of a hint. We can speculate on the reasons for this (Mana busy with some sort of "real job", musical subcontractors busy with other projects, no money to spare, whatever) but I think it's safe to say anyone waiting for the mythical new album shouldn't hold their breath. The handful of live-only new songs are all there is.
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The real technique is to get the mic cranked way up high like Lemmy from Motorhead.
