Monologue Garden - Mo' Mana, Mo' Problems

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  1. Berserk -member- -member-

    Berserk
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    Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:06 pm

    @PE: I never said I thought it was all about that Moi-meme-Moitie event. But if it turns out to just be an issue along those lines, then I'm not exactly going to sympathize with her (although I'll respect her right to stop being a fan and to stop translating, of course).

    You, faith, and Geisha all sounded pretty confident that it's about something Mana did. If that's the case, what are the odds that I'm going to see the issue her way? Mana has got to be the least controversial VK artist I know of. He's shown for years that he's sensitive towards his fans, he's honest, and he acts in good faith.

    At the moment, all Sarah has done is vaguebook about how Mana has apparently slighted or offended her. In my opinion, if you're going to be publicly negative about someone, you need to put up or shut up. Either tell us point blank what he did so we can decide for ourselves what to make of it, or just keep it to yourself.

    That comment accusing her of being a stalker (among other things) was way over-the-top and unfair, but she is inviting a certain amount of judgment on herself as long as she "tells but doesn't tell" about this supposedly terrible thing Mana did.
     
  2. MorganIvy -current- -current-

    MorganIvy
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    Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:49 pm

    I'm going to make a wild guess (and I hope I'm wrong), but is this about the Matin pendants she made? Is she being sued or something?
     
  3. Blue Moon -member- -member-

    Blue Moon
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    Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:28 pm

    ^ Those pendants looks cool.

    Okay I found this on her blog comment. Did Mana misbehave during the secret meeting or google trans fail again?

    初めまして
    初めまして。いつも楽しく拝見してます。密会で一体何があったのでしょうか?
    2012/11/28(水) 17:27:44 | URL | Mayo #-[ Edit ]
    Re: 初めまして

    コメントありがとうございます~!
    まぁ、密会の時じゃなくて、その後でした。
    実は、本当だったらわからないけど、友達も参加して、
    彼女が戻った後は私とこの友達はイベントから出て、
    私たち二人だけ友達は自分の密会の時間の間に不適正なことを起こったと言っていました。

    Mana様が嫌いじゃなくて、
    今、すごっくまごまごしています。。。
    2012/11/29(木) 00:25:55 | URL | Sarah [Mana-Sama.net] #-[ Edit ]
     
  4. PureElegance -eternite- eternite

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:15 am

    @Berserk: I think she is inviting some unfair and negative judgement by making things public, but I think she was only opening up with her honest feelings about everything that's been going on lately, and I've been sympathetic along with other people. I don't understand how people can be so mean though (for example, someone just called her pathetic and a sad and lonely girl on her blog), but I guess that's a part of everyday life, unfortunately >_< She's being attacked a lot though in other places.

    Personally, I don't blame Sarah for her feelings. She doesn't hate anyone (I don't know if she can even do that), but she doesn't know what to think about many things happening, she's upset, and doesn't know what will happen in the future.

    Sympathize or not, but at least she has real friends who care about her and that's what's most important for me. It's because I *know* Sarah is a great person and a good friend that I'm defending her, but as Cerceaux pointed out to me, everyone else is seeing this from the outside and not many here know her like I do, so I understand the skepticism.

    She told me everything and I don't doubt her or her honest feelings, and I'm just going to be there for her regardless. I knew it had to have been serious for her to feel this way because she was never like this before, but now I understand. Maybe it'll turn out fine in the end, I'm hoping, but in the meantime I'm hanging in there with her! Also, I think it's good that she's taking a break from all this. I can relate to having to distance yourself from something you love.

    Anyways, I'm just going to stop with this post.
     
  5. Geisha -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:31 am

    Berserk wrote:
    PureElegance wrote:
    I'm afraid I agree with Berserk and I think she is being irresponsible. She has established herself as an unofficial interpreter or spokesperson for Mana, which is great for overseas fans and we're all grateful for her translations and other hard work, but with such a prominent position also comes responsibility. Her blogs aren't private journals to stay in touch with friends and family; they're read by fans all over the world and were set up for that purpose. The vague accusations she has made, both in English and Japanese, have caused speculation as far as Japan and South America. I don't think she realises how much damage "opening up with her feelings" in public may be causing; going by her comments at least that wasn't her intention.

    Regarding her comment about something potentially improper happening at the Moitie event, I find that hard to believe since 2 friends of mine, who also attended the event, told me (before that comment got posted) that a staff person from the department store was present in the same room. And again, saying "I don't know if it's true" but still posting it on a public blog is irresponsible.
     
  6. yun -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:16 am

    wow all that drama o_o

    I want to add my little statement too! (let's play down)

    Firs of all I'm really grateful for all the work Sarah put into translating Mana stuff during all those years. I think she had the right to feel whatever she wants and stop translating if it's not what she wants anymore even if I'll have to go back to google translate D=

    Then I have to agrree with Geisha that her blogs aren't private and by saying just a few words she did start something and here we are with all those rumors about Mana being incorrect and improper and all...

    Even for those who would know what happened I'm not sure you should believe everything that people tell you, it's very easy to make people believe something happen when you're supposed to be alone with Mana and no witness. Thoug the comment of Geisah saying there was someone from the staff confuse me...

    If there was someone else wouldn't it be strange for Mana to try something inapropriate?

    Ah well it's all speculation and noone will ever know the truth except Mana and whoever the persone concerned is!

    All I want to do now thought is sending a nice support message to Mana because (no matter what you're going to think of me) I don't think he deserves all without being ablt to response.

    (PS : sorry for my english, I don't think I got everything right XD)
     
  7. Mrs. Fujiwara -member- -member-

    Mrs. Fujiwara
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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:36 am

    Hello guys, it's been a while.

    I was informed about the confusion involving Mana's name after the last Secret Meeting and I thought it would be a nice opportunity for me to come here and state my views in English to try and help him somehow.

    First, I have met Sarah in several occasions for the past years and even made a trip back from Osaka on the same bullet train once. She's always been polite with me and I've always admired her devotion and the time she put into divulging Mana's career for English speaking audiences. So I am not here to criticize her behavior or doubt her statements on whatever happened at the last event.

    What I can do and want to do is to protect the image of a man and an artist who has been nothing but kind and professional with me for the last 4 years in person and many more when I was still living in my own country.

    My report for the last event that happened on Saturday, November the 24th, can be read on my blog mana-mania.net (in Portuguese). However, I would like to emphasize that this year was one of the best times - if not the best - I had with Mana.

    He was sweet, attentive and kind, as usual, but he was also very comfortable and at easy with me and my friends – Japanese and foreigners alike. We had very high numbers to enjoy the day together, so we met him probably later than Sarah, but by the time the last one of us came out, his excellent mood seemed to have reached its peak.

    We were received with sincere smiles, very respectful hugs, and the honest attention that only a few artists in this Visual Kei universe can demonstrate. He patted us on the head like we were his puppies or children (even though some of us are mothers and some probably older than him), he laughed with us, he listened to our feelings, our concerns, and thanked for every single thing with the usual grateful stare and whispered/mumbled words.

    I also talked to many people before and after the event, including MmM's clerks, and every single person – without exception – had only praises and good/funny stories to tell about him on that day.

    To sum it all, Mana was nothing but the sensitive professional I've admired since the old MM days. And it has been like this ever since I first met him in 2009.

    So it truly surprises me and, in fact, it pains me to see his image questioned like this because of a comment made by only one fan.

    Again, I am not here to question Sarah's statement. She is old enough and has been on this fandom for long enough to know the impact that something half-said would have on the fanbase as a whole. Especially when the artist in question is known for keeping silent no matter how bad the situation is.

    I just want to make clear that if something happened for her to feel the need to leave the fandom in such a way, it was something restricted to the both of them and perhaps one negative case in a sea of completely different impressions. Including his own, according to the emotional and thankful Monologue Garden post he wrote after the event.

    Therefore, I just ask whoever had the trouble of reading this wall of text to take into consideration his history with fans and Secret Meetings and the opinions of other people who were present before judging him. I am truly sorry for Sarah for feeling this way towards an artist she seemed to admire so much, but I - Mrs. Fujiwara - couldn't disagree with her more concerning Mikkai this year. It was absolutely perfect in every single way and Mana was nothing but the mature man and professional artist he has always been. I felt respected as a fan, as a woman and as a human being the entire day - from the MmM and Marui One staffs to Mana himself.

    Thank you for reading and I apologize for the absurd length of this post.
     
  8. yun -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:03 am

    aw thank you for this post Mrs Fugiwara, it's really warming my heart <3!
     
  9. Garnet in the Eden -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:07 am

    I'm sure all it has to to do with is her thinking about how much time and money and effort she puts into supporting him and giving back to the fanbase and after an underwhelming meeting with him she's probably going through some kind of personal dilemma. Maybe it was about this event and some other Mana related events, that doesn't change anything. I mean, fair enough, she's allowed to "not even want to see Mana's face right now", but to go all ambiguous about the whole thing isn't the most sensible thing to do to him or the fans.

    But as long as we're keeping her personal issues separate from whatever nonsense "rumours" were floating about a few pages ago.
     
  10. faith -tea party- -tea party-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 8:15 am

    Sooooooo....

    Mana's sure lookin manly in that las pic.
    Sounds like he had a lot of fun.
    This is all starting to give me a headache so I'm taking a Mimori Yusa break.
    You're all welcome to join me:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beoEsLGYL-4

    Hi Mrs. Fujiwara. It's nice to see you back - hope you'll post more and thank you for the report :)
     
  11. Martine -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:01 am

    yun wrote:
    Exactly what I thought ! XD All this seems like a comedy.
    I was nearly absent of this forum due to my private life and some health problems of a relative. The news are better. So I come back and I fall on that "marvellous" story XD I am lucky LOL
    I don't judge the decision of sarah. She does what she wants. But the way she informed us about her decision in her blog made us indecise about what happened, if something important happened. We don't know what to think.

    I was sometimes angry about Mana due to things happened in the Malice Mizer period and posted harsch comments on my blog several years ago. At that time, someone took me as a toy and took pleasure in remembering me my past and making me sad. But my blog was a private one. My friends who visited my blog knew why I was angry about him. And, when my anger fell down, I suppressed the comments and immediatly, excused myself on Mana's blog and explained him why I wrote the comments. I regret these comments but it had to be said one time.

    In the case of Sarah, as Geisha and Yun said, it's a public blog. What Sarah said about her decision and one of the comments are the beginning of a lot of rumors. She'd have better said nothing or said everything but not like that.
    I don't whant to know what happened, if something happened. It's their problem but I think, as fans, we should have in mind that Mana is only a human, not perfect but we can't judge him for that. I mean, what he does as a human is not our problem. We can't judge the artist on his human actions. I don't remember who said that we don't know really Mana. It's true. I said once to someone that we have all our own Mana. We all see him with our own eyes. And the image that we have from him is different for each of us. We love the artist. What the human is, is not our problem.

    As artist, Mana never disappointed me. And for the human details that pushed me some years ago to post harsh comments on my blog, even if a certain one liked to push me on a other way, I forgave him a long time ago. In fact, I never bear a grudge against him. It's that one who succeeded to make me mad against him, after years.

    I think Sarah should only consider the artist. And if the artist disappoints her, so I understand her point of view. But not if she thinks like that due to human details about Mana.

    Thank you Mrs. Fujiwara to tell us so sweet things about him ^^ It's always a pleasure to read you :) It cheers me up ! ::kiss::
     
  12. K-kun -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:09 am

    I remember that a couple of years ago some other girl (I don't remember who) wrote absolutely the same thing as Sarah did. Like 'I can't respect and support him after what had happened". But she also said that she couldn't tell anyone the details, because it was too much personal.

    So, that's not the first case.
     
  13. flowersofnight -moderator- -moderator-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:47 am

    I still don't believe Mana's a serial molester. And if that's not what she meant by all these mysterious postings she really should clarify, because let's face it, that is exactly what everyone is going to think when they read it.
     
  14. Martine -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 10:54 am

    K-kun wrote:
    And probably, it won't be the last. Probably, a lot of fans, one day, act that way ^^

    The problem in the case of Sarah, K-kun, is the popularity of Sarah's blog, I think. Her blog is like a fan club dedicated to Mana with a lot of visitors. I think she had a forum about Mana too. Am I wrong ? So, I think it changes the case. For the case you tell I don't know but, for myself, most of my visitors didn't even know Mana and Moi dix Mois and it was not really specified that I was spoken about him. Most of my visitors probably thought that I had an argue with a friend XD
    It's really different with Sarah.
     
  15. Cerceaux -tea party- -tea party-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:03 am

    Well on the bright side, look how active the forum is now! ::meev::
     
  16. Martine -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:18 pm

    Sure ! It was my first thought after having read all the posts about that story. 4 pages. Wow. LOL.
    I'd have prefered the announce of a concert out of Japan or something like that but we musn't demand too much, after all ;-)
     
  17. Wandering_Fox -current- -current-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:58 pm

    Cerceaux wrote:
    Does someone have a pencil I can borrow?

    Anyway, the scans are pretty cool! I haven't looked at the EGL bibles in a long time~ I like the first picture and the photos of Mana with the knife and the ones in the striped number :cool: They remind me a bit of Dada, but it might be the clock.

    I'm not too upset about the autobiography being delayed; I'm glad Mana decided to take his time and do it right instead of rushing it. I wonder if it's going to be a proper book or if it's going to be an extended pamphlet... I'm more interested in Girl'e/Matenrou/old school Malice Mizer, so I'm really looking forward to those sections! ::mana::
     
  18. Blue Moon -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:02 pm

    flowersofnight wrote:
    All the comments about it's related to Mana, What Mana did IRL, Mana's a weirdo, I don't want to see his face ect...does makes one wonder what the hell had he done to upset her like that. (accusations without proof) :mad:

    I don't think she intentionally hurt Mana's image, she's just probably overwhelmed with personal issues and wasn't thinking straight when posting those entries, but she really need clarify that on her blog ASAP.
     
  19. Martine -member- -member-

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    Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:33 am

    Blue Moon wrote:
    Yes. And not only for Mana's image but for her's too. Even, more for her image than for Mana's. I don't know Sarah at all. I never met her, I never spoke to her, even on internet. I never felt the mood to meet or even to speak with her on internet as I did with other people. I only knew her name by the links to her blog that some people posted here. Before that story, that was all. But now that I read her last post and comments (4 pages on this forum about her made me a little curious LOL), I have a bad image of her that I hadn't before. You are right. She should clarify the story. For her.
     
  20. Geisha -member- -member-

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    Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 8:57 am

    Well, she posted an update on her blog, but it doesn't address the accusation she made, by her own admission without being sure that it was true, of Mana behaving inappropriately:

    http://monologuesanctuary.blog132.fc2.c ... y-276.html

    She still seems to be unaware of the responsibility that comes with creating a public blog that is being read by God knows how many people. If you publicly accuse someone of something as serious as, effectively, sexual harrassment, you have to be 100% sure. She doesn't even seem to realise that's what she has done.
     
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