Prince and Princess: The Versailles Thread

Discussion in '-off topic-' started by Jae, Jan 4, 2009.

  1. flowersofnight -moderator- -moderator-

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    Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:10 am

    As funny as it is to imagine Kamijo flipping out on rage-a-hol day and night, that's just a silly rumor which is against the rules here.
     
  2. Berserk -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:12 pm

    voixdinferno wrote:
    So you mean it's a "hiatus" exactly like Malice Mizer's.

    Malice Mizer is finished and is never coming back.
     
  3. Garnet in the Eden -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:11 pm

    Berserk wrote:
    lol
     
  4. heutre -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:53 pm

    You can't be 100% that Malice Mizer is never going to come back, several old japanese bands come back in the music scene.
     
  5. Cerceaux -tea party- -tea party-

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    Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:37 pm

    voixdinferno wrote:
    Oh my god, stop coming into every thread and posting the same goddamn shitty Engrish every time, you are the worst troll ever. Even your avatar is annoying.
    Also, everybody else please stop replying to him, you should know this pattern by now.
    voixdinferno wrote:
    Yeah right, the only "source" you have for all this crap is your colon.
     
  6. flowersofnight -moderator- -moderator-

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    Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:22 pm

    gabespf wrote:
    No, actually we are 100% certain. Jim Morrison will come back before Malice Mizer does.
     
  7. Berserk -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 7:50 pm

    Mana, Közi, and Yu~ki have been in touch with each other for a few years now, yet there hasn't even been a remote hint at them restarting Malice Mizer.

    They did a photoshoot and some Malice Mizer covers on their coupling tour for old time's sake, but otherwise they're too busy with their respective projects like they have been for the past decade (except Yu~ki). If they were ever going to reunite, it would have been at the time they did Dark Sanctuary. But they didn't. The end.
     
  8. Blue Moon -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:38 pm

    I think there's a remote chance that MM will briefly be reunited and release 1 album. It never happened yet because of management issue...now that Mana's on his own (at least in the business area) he can do whatever the hell he pleases. ::shifty::
     
  9. eMiNaTiC -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:51 pm

    since when does Mana NOT do whatever the hell he pleases? isn't that why MM went on hiatus because of his diva ways? ::meev::

    in all seriousness I could maybe see them getting together for random performances and doing old MM songs, but i don't think they'll ever actually get back together and start making new music. and at this point they've reached sort of an almost "sacred" status, would you really even want them to?

    also, now i'm totally fantasizing about an all out Versailles cat-fight
    ::kisaki:: ::meev::
     
  10. Wandering_Fox -current- -current-

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    Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:28 am

    What we need is a concert with the old old OLD MM line-up! With Tetsu on vocals, Mana and Kozi on guitar, Yu~ki on bass and Gaz on drums ::meev::

    (Actually that would be pretty sweet, in all seriousness!! I would fly to Japan just to see that!!) </dream>

    I was never a huge fan of Versailles, but they did have some awesome music from time to time and Hizaki is a very talented guitarist =-) I often felt his compositions were too muddled and complex and too complicated to be memorable, but he did do some amazing work. I'd like to see him work with Ageha (Yoshi) again on Hizaki Grace Project (check out the song "If...Curfew")
     
  11. Cerceaux -tea party- -tea party-

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    Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:38 am

    My problem with a lot of Versailles songs is they start off cool, but then the chorus is kind of a letdown.
    Also they're too long. I was never into the whole "8-10 minute epic song" deal.
     
  12. Geisha -member- -member-

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    Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:17 pm

    My problem was that they didn't seem to have many ideas; a lot of the time they just seemed to be ripping off Malice Mizer and/or Anne Rice. Kamijo's stage persona was pretty obviously modeled on Lestat ("Vampire Chronicles Versailles"), Hizaki's nun photo shoot was a copy of Mana in Bara no konrei, at one of their concerts they had a choir of veiled nuns like in MM's Bara no Seidou live - I could go on. I don't mind 10 minute songs if there's enough ideas to make them interesting, but I often didn't find that to be the case with Versailles. Which is sad because I think they had a lot of potential, but they seemed to be more concerned with PR than song writing. Even their PVs were nothing special; D manage more impressive stuff on an indie budget than Versailles on one of the world's largest major labels.

    No, they went on hiatus because the members wanted to pursue their own interests:

    http://www.scapeforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=917

    More or less what Versailles have been saying, so I wouldn't hold my breath about them reuniting. ::meev::
     
  13. Wandering_Fox -current- -current-

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    Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:38 pm

    Geisha wrote:
    This. The reason I like some longer songs is they have more room to add new sections that are related but are different enough that they stand on their own. If the sections are completely unrelated and don't flow well into each other than it doesn't work. There is a difference between embellishing a musical phrase and dragging something said phrase out, and I feel that in Versailles' case, they did a lot more dragging out than adding anything of value to the song, other than just trying to make the song longer. (A song's epicness is not directly proportional to it's length.)
     
  14. PureElegance -eternite- eternite

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    Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 4:52 pm

    Wandering_Fox wrote:
    I've always hated that about Versailles and I remember mentioning it a few times even in other threads (like when I heard that Hizaki was composing a Kaya song, good lord, I was hoping it was not some 10 minute boring thing.)

    I liked their songs, but after a while they grew unmemorable and I didn't bother anymore. What I hate is that from an 8 minute song, I'd only like a part of it, but I'd have to go through the entire thing just to get to that one part. Blehhhh.

    I don't know, it's like they tried to make their music really dramatic or something. I don't remember most of the stuff now XD
     
  15. heutre -member- -member-

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    Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:40 pm

    I am not saying I am expecting a comeback at all, I'm just saying that it could be probable because of the fact that they insisted on the word hiatus.
     
  16. Iskanderia -member- -member-

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    Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:33 pm

    I haven't really followed Versailles since Jubilee. It was a solid album but, as a metal fan (of 24 years, I just realized - holy crap I've been listening to metal longer than most of you have been alive!), I didn't like it as much as their previous work because it was somewhat more poppy and it felt like they had lost a bit of their edge (not that they were exactly edgy to begin with, of course).

    Lyrical Sympathy was a hell of a debut and Noble, while it took a few listens to grow on me, was even better, so, despite my not following them lately, I'm still a little bummed to hear they're breaking up because of my nostalgia for those records (can you be nostalgic for something that happened only like 4 years ago?) and if for no other reason than that I never got to hear Red Carpet Day live.

    Also, this has nothing to do with anything (you know how I am), but I'm looking at random Versailles photos on GIS for the first time in a while and *phew*, are these boys (Kamijo and Masashi in particular) easy on the eyes.
     
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    Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:58 am

    just for the record, I wasn't being serious about MM breaking up due to Mana being a diva XD

    anyway, i can definitely understand all the criticisms of Versailles. I think Hizaki had some really great and original stuff, but he keeps doing an almost identical formula on every song and as a result most of his solos and songs are incredibly predictable. when i listen to a Versailles album for the first time, i can always tell who wrote which songs without looking at the booklet. I think Teru is really where it's at - he keeps things fresh and interesting.

    but their two new songs on the Rose single seemed very promising, and i was looking forward to seeing them step out in that direction ::weepy::

    and now on the other hand this leaves me free to secretly hope for another unlikely band reunion: LAREINE ::kisaki::
     
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    Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:41 am

    I'm so sad TTwTT -ignore previous replies-
     
  19. Geisha -member- -member-

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    Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:09 am

    Wandering_Fox wrote:
    That's why I don't like Noble or Holy Grail; there seems to be little cohesion between the various parts of each song. Lyrical Sympathy and Jubilee had long songs too, e.g. God Palace and The Love from a Dead Orchestra, but they were long in a good way, rather than long for the sake of being long.
     
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    Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:19 am

    I partly have to agree with Geisha (especially the part about Versailles not being much of a PV-band, especially when compared to D), but they were a huge amount of fun live, I loved going to their concerts.

    I am sad about this breakup, but if they feel it was time to move on, I think it's better to do that than to carry on simply fo the sake of carrying on.

    I personally hope Hizaki continues (and does not start this pattern of being in bands that break up after a few months again.)
    With their technical skill, I am not really worried about them finding another option, if they want to continue at least.