Discussion in '+schwarz stein+' started by Daedolon, Dec 29, 2011.
But drum gear will always be available
Got the DVD
I liked the show, vocals etc.
But the over-over-over-compression... ARGH!!! Kaya n Hora, did you seen your own creation?
The Recurrence of Hallucination CD went on sale in July last year and is still available, so I'm sure this DVD will be on sale for a while too.
Plus Hora indicates when there's not much left of an item on his site with "残りわずか", so you can tell when it's in danger of selling out.
I opened mine and watched it yesterday and I really liked it even if it wasn't in such good quality. Very few zoom ups on Kaya and Hora, and the sound was kind of...not bad, but Kaya's voice was louder than the actual music so it ruined the songs a bit I thought. The photogallery which they called "special" was nice but Hora had many bad shots unfortunatly and was it just me or didn't Hora sound less than Kaya, like there was something wrong with his mic? Kaya's choreography is always fun to watch, after seeing this I've concidered making a fanvideo with all J-bands which makes zieg heil X'D
zieg heil is "always fun to watch"? Would you be so kind as to tell me what you find so "funny" in Nazism?
Just because some stupid guy used a gesture to simplify his sh**** ideology doesn't mean everyone that does that gesture is Nazi, are you implying Nietzsche was Nazi too just because they took some of his theories and made them as their own? :S
Here in Europe people know so well what all of that means that less than a month ago an English politician had to resign because he thought "funny" to celebrate with his friends dressed in a Nazi uniform. Here people know what to think of such "funny" kinds of "entertainment".
I said Kaya's always fun to watch and he happend to be doing zieg heil and yes I find it funny how so many J-bands uses that especially this time since I don't get how that movement can be used in Creeper.
I don't think nazism is funny, nor do I think Kaya, Közi & Mana or anyother band memeber thinks nazism is funny, but they still used the arm movement.
why did you interpret this gesture as nazi?
Oh I don't know, something about the Holocaust maybe? The gesture carries a huge negative connotation now, even if it was just a Roman gesture at one point hundreds of years ago.
Don't Vis Kei bands often have coreography that their fans can do too? Of course most are going to move their arm outward in the same way at some point. I'd be surpised if they DIDN'T. It's pretty.
Anyway, Jewish Polish ancestry here and I'm not offended by it. Though I was by the English politician . He's obviously too clueless about world affairs to be a politician. But then, I think most Americans would be offended too. Nazis are no-no isn't just a Europe thing.
Point is, I don't see the big deal here.
Prince Harry did this as well.
He didn't have to resign though
I know. But then the Windsors are of German ancestry, and there have been quite a lot of precedents.
I hope Kaya at least knows that the Nazis would have gassed him in his coarse labour suit with a pretty pink star sewn on.
I'm pretty sure like faith said, it was just an arm movement, nothing more.
But even if it was an intentional reference, I seriously doubt Kaya was thinking of the twisted ideology behind it.
Just like I doubt Malice Mizer were thinking of the various war crimes Japan commited in China and Korea when they decided to perform N.p.s N.g.s in Japanese World War II military costumes.
In 2010 the Japanese retail chain Don Quijote upset a Jewish group in the US for selling a Nazi costume. They withdrew it on hearing the complaints, but the point is that it seems when it comes to Nazi Germany a lot of people in Japan just think of the fashion...
Yeah, having seen the DVD, it was more of just a "moving your arm outward" kind of move, I don't think it was intended to be an endorsement of fascism.
I do recall reading a live report once where some stupid indies VK band was having the audience do (and say) "sieg heils", and the girl writing the report had lost grandparents in the camps and was just crying the whole time
Back on-topic: about the live, I want to say that Hora's a total nerd XD He never really seems comfortable on stage the way Kaya does.
Yeah it's part of the para para dance and Kaya isn't actually doing the zieg heil.
I don't understand. If he made it intentionally, how could he not know of the horrible things associated with it? XD Not saying Kaya did that, but it you do the zieg heil knowingly... Then don't you know where it's from? XD
I think the whole "it's just fashion" thing is silly. But people have always been weird like that. I always get bothered when people wear Che Guevara shirts or Mao Zedong/Chinese communist fashion. I mean, come on.
Omg this sounds awesome XDD
I meant even if it was supposed to be a nazi salute the image in his head would probably be pretty boys in military costumes, not concentration camps.
But we knew this already
It was funny seeing Kaya dancing his ass off while Hora just stood there with his arms straight down. I wonder if he's always been like this, even during their first lives.
I have a rather important gig coming up next week. So really, drum gear goes first
I just might be able to get this DVD in februari if everything goes to plan.
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