Shopper's Alert! The Thread

Discussion in '-off topic-' started by flowersofnight, Nov 19, 2007.

  1. flowersofnight -moderator- -moderator-

    flowersofnight
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    Posted: Sun Mar 6, 2022 12:26 pm

    WUNL wrote:
    "That's more money than I ever made since that day ::zetsubou::"
     
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    Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2022 3:21 pm

    Someone actually asked, and got answers to, a couple questions on the Million Dollar Matenrou Tapes:
    https://jp.mercari.com/item/m81664445056
    No lyrics cards or anything, and they originally seem to have come from Puresound. That's probably as close to "authentic" as you're likely to find, though whether the sound quality will be better than what's out there is not certain at all.
     
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    Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:05 am

    flowersofnight wrote:
    I once got a THE 1TH ANNIVERSARY from Puresound that was 100% definitely fake. (I have 4 THE 1TH's, all fake). And there's a huge chance that the real Matenrou ones had lyrics cards. But just so rare that nobody ever documented them well, or put the real titles of the two songs on the internet. I'm still a bit sceptical on these! But I might very well be too critical, and you could be right! We'll only know if somehow ones appear that seem even more legit.

    Also, the "Sadness" of this seller has no lyrics card (asked, got reply, comments removed), while the real one 100% has, and that user got the Sadness from puresound too. So... Fakes are possible.
     
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    Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 5:57 pm

    This reminds me of La:Sadie's objexxx CD single which came out in 1996 and was limited to 300 copies.
    Sometime in the late 2000s or 2010s, Kisaki who bassist in that band, made bootlegs and started selling them on mercari and YJA that look virtually identical to the original.
    https://nitter.net/degtau/status/1479128787044474881

    Fast forward 10+ years later and now nearly every recent sale of objexxx is the fake and even Disk Union recently sold one of them without knowing it.
     
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    Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:20 pm

    MANDRAKE - "kazarimado no dekigoto"
    https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/t1042362439
    90000Y and counting.

    Can't justify, can't justify, can't justify. Not for what's at best a different version of a song you can hear elsewhere. I didn't know the front cover was a sort of "screen door" though.

    Malice Mizer - 2 movie banners, 4500Y
    https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k1041600128
    Hadn't seen these before.

    Moi dix Mois - autographed "Dialogue Symphonie" poster, 12000Y
    https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/g1042611301
     
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    Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:50 pm

    flowersofnight wrote:
    Second time I've seen these around. Wasn't there a pre-order incentive, or a mail in your proof of purchase for a chance to win or something similar?
     
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    Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:05 am

    cardy wrote:
    Yes! I have the repress of KISAKI, and I'm looking for the original, but really every copy on sale is that later press he made for a huge price just like the original....
    The difference here though is that KISAKI's repress could be seen as semi-real since he was a member of the band, and it's high quality since he had the master files.
    But fake MM tapes are always poorer in quality, and made by many different people.
     
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    Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:24 am

    Cantavanda wrote:
    True, I can see your point that it's semi official.
    I was always curious about the repress - did Kisaki actually use a master / wav file for his version? Or was it a mp3?
    I assume he had the original CD which he made his copies from.

    I actually had the original objexxx CD single that I bought in 2003 or so and sold a few years later. Mine came with a ticket stub from the show.
    I had a hard time selling the whole back then. I think in the end I think I sold objexxx and the ticket stub for $150 and the rest of the stuff separately. I probably should've held on for a few more years. ^^

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    I would love to get my hands on the MM demos just to transfer them myself.
    I think the best versions of the demo tapes was the one that were shared here 10 years ago?

    I recently got my hands on La:Sadie's seimei no tsumi cassette and the transfer I made is leagues better than the versions I had downloaded through the years.
    I've got that bug to get my hands on demo tapes which I probably never will because they are too risky to purchase (Malice Mizer, L'Arc en ciel, Garnet, Sus-4).
     
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    Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:48 am

    cardy wrote:
    Hi! I'm sure he stored the master files of both the graphic design and original uncompressed recordings very safely on his PC('s), since his new press was super high in quality. Definitely not mp3.

    And OMG nice set of stub+single! I would totally have bought it if I knew it XD.

    This original objexxx press is the only La:Sadie's release I'm missing.

    Almost all VK demo tapes rips that are being shared around the net are in very low quality. Since most combinations of deck+capture method+software are garbage. A good way of ripping costs a lot of money.

    I've already had it that after ripping a tape, I even hear new instruments in songs compared to online rips! They were just either silently mixed, or panned in the original song, and not picked up by crappy decks from years ago.

    I've been looking multiple times per day for 10 YEARS now for real MM tapes. Every one that ever came on sale was fake: Except 4 times. In these 10 years, I've seen 2 real SANS LOGIQUE, and 2 real THE 1TH ANNIVERSARY. I still feel so bad that I missed all four.

    And no, 10 years ago there were as much fakes as now.

    Even during the 90s, there were much more fakes of MM tapes than real. We have never gotten a real rip of MM tapes, except for flowers' "SADNESS / SPEED OF DESPERATE". We have yet to hear a real THE 1TH ANNIVERSARY. The real ones probably all have exact or less than 100 in existence: Most in the hands of other bandmen (other bands from the same time) or family/friends of bandmen. But there's maybe and probably even more than 1000 fakes of these. Bandmen usually don't sell as much

    Recently, two real GARNET tapes sold! It's crazy.
     
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    Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:59 am

    cardy wrote:
    He just re-recorded all the parts himself. Including the vocals ::zetsubou::
     
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    Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:48 pm

    Cantavanda wrote:
    Forgot to ask, by the way: why do you think that particular one is real? I don't have any particular information about any of my MM tapes' provenance, besides that that one came from FLOWER RECORD.
     
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    Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:53 pm

    flowersofnight wrote:
    Actually, I'm not 100% sure in the end. But it's the only tape that I've never ever seen on sale for the past 10 years. Not even any fakes. It must be so extremely rare... Maybe the fakers also can't get their hands on it? And FLOWER RECORD is more reliable than Puresound when it comes to not selling fakes of items like that. Also the audio of yours definitely doesn't come from a common source... So if it is a fake, it's a very high quality one made directly from a real one, which has a small chance of happening, especially since this item wasn't public, but more "promotional" like.
     
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    Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:54 pm

    flowersofnight wrote:
    And also, SADIE posted a pic of this tape on Twitter, which also is TDK just like yours.
     
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    Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:24 pm

    Cantavanda wrote:
    What is the source of that info anyway? It seems like it just popped up on the internet out of nowhere one day.
     
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    Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:04 am

    flowersofnight wrote:
    It's not mentioned in Cher de memoire or any official publications, even when the three other are. And SADIE, a fellow band member, owns it. So... No public distribution documented, rarest of them all, but real since a band member owns it.... Promo-only seems like a logical, but still not 100% conclusion.

    Also, from a psychological standpoint, it kinda seems logical too. Sadness released already two(or 1) time(s) with vocals. And S.O.D. on a common omnibus. Why would they sell or distribute publicly these recordings yet again so short after it with no change or bonus at all? Seems more logical to combine these recordings not for public distribution, but kinda like a reel... "This is the best we've done!"

    Of course, all of this is (almost-useless) speculation with no solid foundations. Could very well be real and sold or distributed at a live, publicly!!!
     
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    It looks properly old and filthsome at any rate, but I wouldn't pay "authentic" prices unless it comes with the lyrics sheet.