The Gackt Thread II

Discussion in '-main-' started by Clarie, Nov 9, 2009.

  1. Berserk -member- -member-

    Berserk
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    Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:53 pm

    Nocturne wrote:
    Except... that makes zero sense. Even if they were under such a contract or just wanted to keep it secret, obviously there was no secret to keep! They released saikai no chi to bara shortly after Kami's death, went straight to producing shinwa, and never stopped after that. In fact, they went on to produce a full album, massive concert and DVD, multiple singles, and tour with a new vocalist.

    And besides all of that proof right there in front of your eyes, the whole band just said plain and simple that they were not going to stop. What more do you want?

    What Gackt said was. not. true.

    Period.
     
  2. flowersofnight -moderator- -moderator-

    flowersofnight
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    Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:02 pm

    Well, I think we can glean enough truth from what he said to get as good a picture as we'll ever get. Seems to me that between the combination of stress, conflicting egos, artistic differences, and Gackt's big push for stardom, things just couldn't hold together, and "Le ciel" was just the last straw. Whether any of the specific incidents or sayings he mentioned really happened, who knows.

    As far as I'm concerned, we've gotten some pretty decent closure, don't you think?
     
  3. Berserk -member- -member-

    Berserk
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    Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:47 pm

    flowers wrote:
    I'm not willing to gloss over Gackt's faults like that. If it were simply that, then I'd feel great about it. But it's clear that Gackt is not very honest about Malice Mizer at all.

    "A little birdie told me that Kami regrets everything he did and thinks I'm great" when Kami himself is saying "Gackt broke our trust, and I don't understand how he could do this if he loves Malice as much as he says he does"

    It makes me sick :|

    You can dream up some extenuating circumstances that reconcile his statements with Malice Mizer's (and with reality), but it wouldn't even get its day in court. There's no room for doubt about what Gackt is doing anymore.
     
  4. MiniKitty -member- -member-

    MiniKitty
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    Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 11:21 pm

    now im confused.

    Gackt will be getting a long email from me. :/
     
  5. Camuflagem -member- -member-

    Camuflagem
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    Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:09 am

    Geisha wrote:
    I think that he liked Malice Mizer, but he also couldn't part with his big dreams... in the end he chose his dreams. But since Malice Mizer was special to him, he still talks about it. You guys are all so worried that he said that MM members were not very skilled, but in the very end of the interview he states how MM couldn't be done with other people, and that all members have done their job very well.
     
  6. Konayuki -member- -member-

    Konayuki
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    Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 9:37 am

    Exactly.. plus his appreciating words about them at the Gakuensai lives.. ^^
     
  7. flowersofnight -moderator- -moderator-

    flowersofnight
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    Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:43 pm

  8. Mademoiselle Folie -member- -member-

    Mademoiselle Folie
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    Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 7:48 pm

    flowersofnight wrote:
    Oh my!!

    so it is for real?!

    :shock:
     
  9. Es-chan -member- -member-

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    Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:29 am

  10. Cerceaux -tea party- -tea party-

    Cerceaux
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    Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:18 am

    Does he wear glasses regularly now? He's had them in most of the recent videos I've seen. :cool: ::squee::
     
  11. Kyuketsuki -dead scape- dead scape

    Kyuketsuki
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    Posted: Fri Jan 1, 2010 1:04 pm

    ^ He wears glasses, but generally wears contacts most of the time (i.e. all the times you *don't* see him with glasses).
     
  12. Iskanderia -member- -member-

    Iskanderia
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    Posted: Fri Jan 1, 2010 1:17 pm

    Es-chan wrote:
    ::snort:: It's a good thing he was around to show the other guys in Malice how to handle their money.


    The glasses are working for me. He should wear glasses all the time. Actually, most people should wear glasses all the time (has a serious thing for hot dudes wearing glasses).
     
  13. Cerceaux -tea party- -tea party-

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    Posted: Fri Jan 1, 2010 1:43 pm

    Iskanderia wrote:
    Agree 100%. ::squee::
     
  14. Dogfight -member- -member-

    Dogfight
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    Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:40 pm

    I knew their was going to be plenty of Gackt hate after reading the translation of Gackt's Diabolos Tour Book. So I'm going to get to work.

    Berserk wrote:
    Since when were you a member of Malice Mizer and privy to their private band meetings? Otherwise your assertions are no better than Gackt's. Also Gackt rarely ever talks about Kami or Malice Mizer except when asked or the occasional blog posts. Nor does he use Kami's death. Gackt yearly visits the graves of friends that have died, not just Kami. This is a confirmed fact. During one of his yearly visits to Taiwan a newspaper managed to get a single photo of him mourning at a grave alongside the parents of one of his dead friends. If he was willing to fly to Taiwan to visit a dead friend there is no reason to think he wouldn't do the same for Kami.

    Berserk wrote:
    This is the most bizarre form of revisionist history I have ever seen. Regardless of what you say they still broke up it didn't happen immediately after Gackt left but it still eventually did. Releasing a few a singles and an album after Gackt's leaving doesn't prove that they had intentions of continuing much further because some musicians write music in advance and record label contracts often obligate artists on their label to release a certain number of singles and album's. The fact is that Malice Mizer did break up.

    Berserk wrote:
    Now your just positioning Gackt's words against Malice Mizers. You can argue long and hard about what Gackt said v.s what Malice Mizer said. But the reality is actions speak louder than words. Malice Mizer broke up.

    Mademoiselle Folie wrote:
    That interview first of all is five years old. Second Gackt stated that at a fan club concert. The purpose of getting attention is to attract people who aren't your fans to begin with. Saying that at a fan club only event where everybody already likes you to begin with is pointless at obtaining attention.

    Geisha wrote:
    You didn't bother to read that whole interview did you? That interview is seven pages long.

    http://amaiakuyume.livejournal.com/112559.html#cutid1

    http://amaiakuyume.livejournal.com/113422.html

    http://amaiakuyume.livejournal.com/113686.html#cutid1

    http://amaiakuyume.livejournal.com/115012.html#cutid1

    http://amaiakuyume.livejournal.com/117161.html#cutid1

    http://amaiakuyume.livejournal.com/117542.html#cutid1

    http://amaiakuyume.livejournal.com/118901.html#cutid1

    In the interview he talks about his whole early music career not just Malice Mizer. Gackt has hardly ever talked about Malice Mizer since he went solo.
     
  15. Berserk -member- -member-

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    Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:49 pm

    Dogfight wrote:
    :|

    Look long and hard into that face.











    :|

    I have nothing else to say.
     
  16. Dogfight -member- -member-

    Dogfight
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    Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:22 pm

    Berserk wrote:
    That's the best rebuttal you have? No facts. No evidence. Just will full ignorance and an emotional appeal ( and not even a good one at that). Sad.
     
  17. Geisha -member- -member-

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    Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:54 pm

    Dogfight wrote:
    Yes, I did read the interview, so no need to spoon-feed me the links. He talked about MM often enough and always to make the others look bad and himself look good. They only talked about him once, to defend themselves against the allegations he made in his first solo interview. To my mind, they behaved with dignity while he comes across as being vindictive or having an inflated ego, or both.

    Dogfight wrote:
    Dogfight wrote:
    So you're saying that they lied not only when they said that they did not want to split up after Merveilles, but also in all subsequent interviews where they talked about how they composed Bara no Seidou and the singles, which BTW were released on Midi:Nette, not Columbia, as well as their reasons for going on hiatus? You're clutching at straws.
     
  18. Camuflagem -member- -member-

    Camuflagem
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    Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:03 pm

    Malice Mizer had planned to release a new album after Bara no Seidou, there is an interview in which they mention this. I don't think they were going to break up... or if they did, right after Kami's death they tried to continue for his sake, until it was not possible anymore -- this could be possible.

    regarding Gackt talking about malice mizer, he only talked about MM in 1999, then in Jihaku, which is normal, and now in the Diabolos tour book. it is not like he is talking about MM all the time. yes, i realize i said this before, but i will say again.
     
  19. Iskanderia -member- -member-

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    Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:27 pm

    Dogfight wrote:
    Actually, I thought it was pretty funny.

    And I think that's really all he needs to say because he already made his point rather clearly.
     
  20. Garnet in the Eden -member- -member-

    Garnet in the Eden
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    Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:52 pm

    Camuflagem wrote:
    yeah i was going to say this too, they had planned to release another album and had more activities in the works. didn't they split up in the middle of a monthly singles campaign too?