The NEW Dir en grey thread

[Halvorc]

Haha, I read some of his works, it wasn't poetic at all. He sometimes tried to write some critics about politics, but he's not poetic, not even in a perverse way. That was just tons of pornographic and gore trash.

 

[Pierrot]

You're right, most of his works was pretty much butchery, but his quotes, such as :

"To kill a man in a paroxysm of passion is understandable, but to have him killed by someone else after calm and serious meditation and on the pretext of duty honourably discharged is incomprehensible"(about the death penalty)

were pretty interesting and well, poetic, somehow.

It's as if all you would remember Nietzsche for is "Der Wille Zur Macht" which people tend to take the wrong way (esp. his sister, but lets not get into unnecessary details).

 

[Halvorc]

I only read Also sprach Zarathustra, and Jenseits von Gut und Böse. But I don't get that. Too complex for me. Yeah, I heard one of his relatives had been responsible for misunderstanding and later nazi inspirations from Nietzsche's works....

 

[Harlequin]

@Harlequin: I really loved your interpretations of the lyrics that you put down if I haven't said so before. Its kind of the same thing I was thinking about when reading them, but you got it out first.

Aw, thanks. XD I thank my tenth grade English teacher for making me sit through a whole year of interpreting all kinds of poetry.

Just to clarify my position: I think the rest of the lyrics pack a punch, meaning-wise, but to me, the daughter line has no bearing on anything and it's just rude and mean and to me defeats the purpose of the song.

I was thinking about the daughter line on the bus home today, and I couldn't come up with another meaning as to what he means by that, so I'm inclined to agree that the line was added to piss people off, and nothing more. I disagree about it defeating the entire purpose, but maybe if he only used it as the opening line to the chorus* and then used something else for the rest of it to add meaning, then it would be better. But eh, Kyo will be Kyo, and this fits in more with his current trend in writing.

I could use some clarification on what he means by "The black flag," though. It's capitalized, so I assume it's making a reference to something real, but I could definitely be way off.

*I'm not sure if this is the chorus, since I still have yet to even hear the song... Two, three days tops until I do, though.

 

[Lardeen]

I like the lyrics. But the fuck you daughter is just "?" to me. Not shocking, not to dislike, only ?.
I have no idea what it could mean and I don't see it to make much sense, it's like "These lines pop up in my head while I am writin a song, let's put them in, even if they don't fit" ^^'
But that's only my opinion.

I didn't hear the song till yet...mh...

 

[Nocturne]

By all means, I think you people are looking too much into the lyrics. Its supposed to be offensive, and I honestly think it is, and to me its a sign of horrid lyric writing. Kyo has become not that great of a lyricist IMO recently. He has some really beautiful songs like Aint afraid to die, and #13 on Withering to Death. Both are very well written. But crap like Cleaver Sleazoid and now this is just pathetic IMO.

By saying that in the song, he is apparently trying to pretty much defile someone, and what they love, even after they are dead, and in the worst possibly way. I honestly have no respect for that at all. By all means, no matter how much you could ever hate someone, if you were to think of doing something of the sort, I would beleive you would then be lower than the person you hate by an indescibable amount.

Main point = Kyo write better lyrics, and grow up.

 

[MMike]

By all means, I think you people are looking too much into the lyrics. Its supposed to be offensive, and I honestly think it is, and to me its a sign of horrid lyric writing. Kyo has become not that great of a lyricist IMO recently. He has some really beautiful songs like Aint afraid to die, and #13 on Withering to Death. Both are very well written. But crap like Cleaver Sleazoid and now this is just pathetic IMO.

By saying that in the song, he is apparently trying to pretty much defile someone, and what they love, even after they are dead, and in the worst possibly way. I honestly have no respect for that at all. By all means, no matter how much you could ever hate someone, if you were to think of doing something of the sort, I would beleive you would then be lower than the person you hate by an indescibable amount.

Main point = Kyo write better lyrics, and grow up.

I think that what Kyo was trying to do with the lyrics is pissing people off. And just look at how much he pissed you off. So I'd say he's a pretty good lyricist.

 

[Sousuke]

By all means, I think you people are looking too much into the lyrics. Its supposed to be offensive, and I honestly think it is, and to me its a sign of horrid lyric writing. Kyo has become not that great of a lyricist IMO recently. He has some really beautiful songs like Aint afraid to die, and #13 on Withering to Death. Both are very well written. But crap like Cleaver Sleazoid and now this is just pathetic IMO.

By saying that in the song, he is apparently trying to pretty much defile someone, and what they love, even after they are dead, and in the worst possibly way. I honestly have no respect for that at all. By all means, no matter how much you could ever hate someone, if you were to think of doing something of the sort, I would beleive you would then be lower than the person you hate by an indescibable amount.

Main point = Kyo write better lyrics, and grow up.

I love you. <333

 

[Miz]

::hops on thread::

I agree with MMike. He meant to irk someone with that line. What about the rest of the song? Ever pay attention to that? It's not like the whole song is a whole batch of GRAH YO MOMMA SO FAT GRR YO DAWTA SUXORZ lyrics.

Who cares anyway if their lyrics aren't all pretty and elegant? The music isn't that way either anymore. Hmm, see a trend? I do! The music and the lyrics match. I can just hear the snarling sarcasm in his voice on that imfamous line. Can anyone else? I doubt it. They're too busy whining and complaining about how OMGBAD his voice sounds.

But all defending aside, you're taking this way too seriously. I doubt Kyo's even really that serious with this. Take a band like Anal C*** (previously mentioned, mind you). They obviously don't give a hoot about trying to sound beautiful and poetic with their lyrics (Not all lyrics have to be!). They'd offend ME with just their song titles if I was yknow.. more sensitive to that stuff.

Observe:

Easy E Gave AIDS To Freddy Mercury
You Got Date Raped
Your Kid Is Deformed
I Pushed Your Wife In Front Of The Subway
I Snuck A Retard Into The Sperm Bank

See? There's MUCH more immature and meant to be offensive material, and you can tell it's all a big attempt to piss someone off. And apparently, it works. Let's give 'em a hand.

Main point = Grow up? I think you are actually looking too much into the lyrics. They're obviously meant to be offensive (SEE: A.C., The Locust, other grindcore bands) and should be taken with a grain of salt. Rock salt.

::bricked, falls off of thread::

 

[Edgey]

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[DementedThingie]

I don't think anything more true has been drawn about this event... XD

http://community.livejournal.com/dir_en ... ml?#cutid1

 

[Elec]

I think that what Kyo was trying to do with the lyrics is pissing people off. And just look at how much he pissed you off. So I'd say he's a pretty good lyricist.

I call BS. This is, in effect, creating a catch 22 of sorts so that no matter what we think about it, in the end, it's "good". I don't care if that was his point, or A.C.'s point, or GWAR's point. It's BS.

Kyo IS a good lyricist. When he writes in Japanese. A language whose nuances he is extremely skilled at extracting some extremely interesting images and messages. I applaud him trying to practice another language, but there are much better English lyricists. Bernie Taupin, for example.

 

[Halvorc]

Maybe it's going to be a trilogy : "One day I will fuck your parents", then "i'll rape your daughter on your grave", and, finally, "I shall fistfuck your grandma"

Edit : and then, "let me bang your dog"...

 

[Akane]

Nocturne I like how you put that, and I think you're kind of right but I don't think it's necessary to get into a tiff about it, really. as MMike said, his point WAS to piss you off and he pretty much won.
I for one don't think that the lyrics are bad. I think they have a sort of beauty if you look passed the whole OMGZORHATE aspect. And I agree with Miz. He is pretty much being really sarcastic, and you CAN hear it in his voice. I find the lyrics more amusing than offencive. I've heard much more offencive shit. Like Eminem. "Put anthrax on your tampax and slap you till you can't stand" I mean, wtf? You think Kyo is bad? Please, take a really close look at some of the lyrics these rappers put out. Like D12 - "Go suck D*** at a bachelour party, so what if you're on your period, blood never hurt no body" And while Kyo sounds sarcastic, they sound downright cruel.
He does write some beautful lyrics, I have always enjoyed them, but he cant write beautiful things all the time, because that would get boring. If you didn't notice, there's a nice mix of beautiful lyrics and thrashy almost offencive ones. Like, he started out with CLEVER SLEAZOID which were funny lyrics, and then he put out Ryoujoku no Ame, which were really pretty, and then Agitated Screams of Maggots, where he tried to shock. I think the way they've been releasing thier singles is nice. They've got a really good mix.

You shouldn't be too upset over Kyo's lyrics, not if you think about what all these teenagers are singing without thinking about it. *examples above*

 

[Elec]

Stuff

Once again, I call complete and total BS. The offender does not necessarily win. I could make fun of you, Akane; pester you at every post you make. You might get pissed off. Would that make me the better writer? But I was trying to offend you! Therefore I win.

By bringing the rap bent into it, I think that's a bit too off-topic. The problem of rap lyrics is a completely different ball game, and I don't think we, a largely caucasian fanbase (excusing a few), who spend our days turning our European/Western to Asian music, are all that well-equipped to deal with that. (Actually, I very well could hold up my end in a discussion about the course of hip-rop/rap, but I'd really rather not. Not here.)

And to be perfectly frank, in the end, to me it's a little disappointing that so many of you seem so desensitized to stuff like this. (But then again I work with young people, so maybe I'm not the best person to be arguing the artistic merits of threats of rape, when there's been several instances of attempted pick-ups of high school and jr high school students in the surrounding cities in the past couple of weeks. *shrug*)

 

[MMike]

I think that what Kyo was trying to do with the lyrics is pissing people off. And just look at how much he pissed you off. So I'd say he's a pretty good lyricist.

I call BS. This is, in effect, creating a catch 22 of sorts so that no matter what we think about it, in the end, it's "good". I don't care if that was his point, or A.C.'s point, or GWAR's point. It's BS.

Kyo IS a good lyricist. When he writes in Japanese. A language whose nuances he is extremely skilled at extracting some extremely interesting images and messages. I applaud him trying to practice another language, but there are much better English lyricists. Bernie Taupin, for example.

I didn't mean that you HAVE to like his lyrics. But his lyrics managed to get the exact effect that he was looking for. And in this day and age I think shocking people is a lot harder than writing something beautiful, since like everything has been done over and over again. So in my opinion, writing lyrics that gets this kind of reation out of people is kind of impressive in it's way.

 

[evespikey]

The music and the lyrics match.

Good point.

 

[ken]

This isn't the first time I've been going through a thread and wanted to say "Yeah! What Elec said! "

EDIT:

Loyalty is all well and good... but trying to impress the band with your amazing loyalty to an era the band is now trying to forget ever even happened is what gets me. I'm not sure how people can call themselves fans of Dir en grey and not understand the band considers their visual era dead and buried.

Seriously, if anyone sees someone in Kyo from Garden cosplay (or Selphie from FFVIII, you decide) at a show, it could be me! XD

 

[IIID]

Kyo IS a good lyricist. When he writes in Japanese. A language whose nuances he is extremely skilled at extracting some extremely interesting images and messages. I applaud him trying to practice another language, but there are much better English lyricists.

Nicely said.

Once again, I call complete and total BS. The offender does not necessarily win. I could make fun of you, Akane; pester you at every post you make. You might get pissed off. Would that make me the better writer? But I was trying to offend you! Therefore I win.

That's risible to say. There is quite a vast difference between artistic expression and simple pestering for the sake of vexing another.

And as for some not being offended by it.. as I've said, Kyo's written much of incest and rape. It's not that I have become numb to the idea of rape (in actuality, I still am saddened by violence after all we are exposed to through the media), but I try to understand what he is trying to emote.

It should not matter if you enjoy hearing the words, but what the words bring to you - and for most, it brings disgust. So why not pay heed to that, and try to see why he would use such an image. For shock? A sardonic statement? Some form of mockery? It is up to interpretation, and that is what truly makes a piece of art beautiful.

 

[DementedThingie]

So its 5:01 pm and Diru regular sale just went out. I wonder if it will sell out fast or not :p