Versailles

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  1. eMiNaTiC -member- -member-

    eMiNaTiC
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    Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:26 pm

    i dont think its really fair to compare Versailles to Lareine because musically, they are two separate ball games. i suppose its inevitable though considering the fact that Kamijo is in it.

    although i do wish they would record just one song with Kamijo singing in his old Lareine style nasal-y voice :D
     
  2. Geisha -member- -member-

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    Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:36 pm

    Red Scarf wrote:
    I hope they can fill this role. I like them a lot, but things have been happening very fast for them and I don`t think NOBLE and Prince/Princess are as strong as their earlier releases.
     
  3. Phantom Pabulum -member- -member-

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    Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:37 pm

    the revenant choir? It was nasally in all it's glory.

    I wonder what will change after Versailles goes major. They didn't seem really "indies" to begin with, in my opinion.
     
  4. a-amanitin -member- -member-

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    Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 10:02 pm

    Less intimate lives and events, but merchandise that's easier to obtain? The common consensus is that this is good for the band, but bad for the fans. (But that's true of any band that signs onto a major label.)

    I'm not particularly happy about the news, to be honest.
     
  5. Haruna_Kamimura -member- -member-

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    Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:24 pm

    Versailles going major, they will make it for sure.
    I hope that with this all the crap of multi-versions of a single CD or DVD will be over.

    btw, I loved the single. I think Princess is a very touching song. And Silent Knight, the first instrumental piece is just the guys playing with the instruments. It makes me feel like dancing.
     
  6. Haku -member- -member-

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    Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 12:59 am

    I loved Silent Knight.... But only because Kamijo wasn't singing. =X *dirty secret*

    I still think that his voice is an acquired taste... just like Shou in Alice Nine.'s.
     
  7. eMiNaTiC -member- -member-

    eMiNaTiC
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    Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 1:06 am

    Haku wrote:
    this is a scientific fact!

    the first Lareine song i ever heard was Chou no Hana...which i think is quite nasal-y even by Lareine's standards
    :P
     
  8. adonis -member- -member-

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    Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:50 am

    Oh that'ss great new! I hope this will make them touring more abroad =p
     
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    Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:47 am

    Good for them ^-^ Warner Bros. is a pretty big label so they'll probably get a LOAD more mainstream awareness and I'm always happy when thhe bands I like get the attention they deserve.
     
  10. Lem -member- -member-

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    Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 4:24 pm

    Phantom Pabulum wrote:
    I would have to agree here, their sound wasn't really indie sounding to begin with. More like typical metal. I don't think their music will drastically change or at least I hope not. I'm going to be optimistic about it. I just hope they don't sit around pumping out nothing but sissy girl ballads.
     
  11. Nocturne -member- -member-

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    Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:58 pm

    I wouldnt say that. Honestly the whole Lyrical Sympathy cd was pretty amazing.

    Noble had some weak songs, but it had some really good ones too, and by all means, I think Prince/Princess is somewhere between those two releases. Stronger than alot of the stuff on Noble, but not quite as powerful as SOME of the songs on Lyrical Sympathy.

    People always think going major is bad, just because they are on a major label. The only time when it is bad is when they change everything to be more mainstream. Versailles doesnt seem like a band to do that, yet I guarantee no matter what, there will be people saying they sold out.

    EDIT: and the reason why the didnt sound indie, is because...you CANT sound indie. It means they were on an independent label. Thats all. I really hate the way people try to turn "indie" into a music genre/sound. It's the same thing with visual kei, you cant sound visual kei. You could be a visual kei band and do jewish hasidic reggae jazz.
     
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    Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:26 am

    Nocturne wrote:
    Well... no, but you're comparing apples to oranges in that extreme example. I think you're ignoring the fact that there certainly exist enough "indie" archetypes of sounds, or VK archetypes of sounds, to be able to declare something as similar or close to those terms.
     
  13. Cerceaux -tea party- -tea party-

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    Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 2:11 pm

    Did anyone post this yet?
    Clothes...
    I like the jumperskirt and the black blouse. Not sure if I want a big Versailles bonnet though... ::meev::
     
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    Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 3:10 pm

    PRINCE line ftw.

    And another perk of being signed with a major label is even more new costumes, it seems. Versailles was wearing a new NEW set at their oneman tour finale. X__X
     
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    Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 4:34 pm

    Nocturne wrote:
    This seems like a good time to sneak in an unsolicited plug for Kazutoki Umezu:
    http://www.k3.dion.ne.jp/~u-shi/

    That is all ::kisaki::
     
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    Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:13 pm

    Nocturne wrote:
    Yeah, Lyrical Sympathy was pretty amazing and so was A Noble was Born in Chaos, but NOBLE sounded repetitive and less well thought out to me and Prince/Princess is again more of the same. As I said, I like their sound a lot, but making every song as fast as possible, as impressive as it may sound initially, gets boring after a while.

    As for them being indies or major, I don't care since I don't think they are likely to change their style, but I'm not sure that 3 singles, a mini album and an album within the just over one year and a half of their existence is a strong enough base to build a major career on. It all feels a bit rushed to me, especially since I think their more recent releases are weaker than their earlier stuff.
     
  17. Phantom Pabulum -member- -member-

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    Posted: Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:40 pm

    Nocturne wrote:
    By sounding or being "indie" you generally sound like you're on a tighter budget - mediocre production and all that. Well that's to me.

    Their PVs and costumes, visuals, shots, promotion etc. seem pretty decent - that's why i said they didn't seem "indie".

    Basically major = bigger budget indie = the opposite. Versailles seem to be pretty rich and well off.
     
  18. Nocturne -member- -member-

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    Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 1:11 am

    Yeah, but sounding like you are on a tighter budget doesnt mean that your style of music is any different. If you play rock music, just because you have more money for production doesnt mean the music you are playing isnt rock.
     
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    Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:37 am

    Geisha wrote:
    I see what you're saying here and do not agree nor disagree with it, but I also posit that all the members' experiences and standing, combined with the strength of their live show, worldwide demand (albeit in a niche market) probably warrant the move.
     
  20. Geisha -member- -member-

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    Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:52 pm

    I know that at least Kamijo has experience of the demands a major career brings (I'm not sure the others do) and I can understand that they want to build on the momentum they gained from their performance at the hide memorial summit and so on, but I worry that they are either beginning to run out of ideas a bit or that they are rushing things too much. The catchiest songs on NOBLE were the ones that had been already released on ANWBIC and, given that Hizaki is one of the main songwriters, the fact that the majority of HGP's output was recycled old songs also worries me.

    Unfortunately, at least in Europe demand is pretty weak. I'd be overjoyed to see more variety in the European Jrock scene, but the vast majority of European Jrock fans wants either macho rock/nu metal bands like Dir en grey or cute oshare boys like An Cafe or Alice Nine, or a combination of both, like Gazette or Miyavi. They consider the lavish old school VK sound and look that Versailles stand for as old fashioned and passé.
     
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