Info Who composes APRÈS MIDI?

Discussion in '-main-' started by Cantavanda, Apr 9, 2022.

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PIZZA OR SUSHI?!

  1. PIZZA

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  2. SUSHI

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  1. Cantavanda -member- -member-

    Cantavanda
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    Posted: Sat Apr 9, 2022 3:04 pm

    I'm currently ripping and tagging all of my MM CD's in lossless FLAC.
    The tags are so detailed that even all composers and lyricists by songs are in it.

    Only one question is unanswered... Who wrote APRÈS MIDI (lyrics and/or music)?

    The most logical option would be that Guck wrote the lyrics, and the music was written by Mana, our French lover... But I don't want to assume anything like that, how logical it even seems. I only want to have official sources stating who wrote this song. Közi did write some French pop songs too in Voyage, we shouldn't judge too fast with certainty.

    Here's the problem...

    The 1995 single containing this song and Uru[...] doesn't state who wrote the lyrics and music of both songs....
    Luckily, the main song, Uru[...], got rereleased on the 2006 black-cover compilation, where it states that Mana wrote the music, and Gackt.C wrote the lyrics. But that compilation doesn't have APRÈS MIDI.
    Also, the infamous SHOCK WAVE 1996 compilation, that has a version of APRÈS MIDI, does not state who composed it in any of the prints that came with it. And finally, the publications related to their 25th anniversary also don't state it, even though KAMIJO sang it.

    Does anyone have an official publication stating who wrote the music and/or lyrics of this song?

    Thenkshuu
     
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  2. flowersofnight -moderator- -moderator-

    flowersofnight
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    Posted: Sat Apr 9, 2022 4:56 pm

    You've got to think outside the box a little!
    https://www.joysound.com/web/search/song/66946

    Looks like it's Grackt on lyrics and Kozi on music.

    Mariah Carey still gets no credit ::gaku::

    EDIT: And yes, this might not be quite the same as an "Official Malice Mizer Publication", but music companies are punctilious about matters of rights when royalties and such are involved. So, I'd trust this source.
     
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  3. Cantavanda -member- -member-

    Cantavanda
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    Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 5:00 am

    Thank you very much for your out-of-the-box thinking! I did not know that sound! From what I understand, it's a karaoke site?
     
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  4. flowersofnight -moderator- -moderator-

    flowersofnight
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    Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:43 am

    Yeah, they're one of the biggest karaoke machine manufacturers. If you go to a place that has one, it's as likely as not to be from them.
     
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  5. Js_klaus -eternite- eternite

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    Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2022 1:10 am

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    Cantavanda
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    Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2022 7:02 am

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  7. Epsonnakajima -member- -member-

    Epsonnakajima
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    Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2022 9:31 am

    Közi is one of the bests! But about Après Midi, I have the feeling that is a reused and transformed 16 no Solitude.
    If you listen 16 no Solitude performed on Tetsu's Last Live you might don't associate.
    However, when I listened 16 no Solitude performed on Malice Mizer 2nd anniversary (a slower tempo), the progression of the song, mainly of Kozi's guitar, it's reminds a lot of Après Midi.
     
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  8. cardy -member- -member-

    cardy
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    Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2022 2:30 pm

    Another good way of figuring out song credits is to search the Jasrac database. You can search by artist or composer and you'd be surprised at what obscurities show up.

    Search results could show songs that might not have had an actual proper release and were used for other commercial purposes so it's much broader in it's scope. For example, Yoshiki (X Japan) had a vaporware project Violet UK in the late 90's and 2000's. The first songs he publicly used were for 7-11 commercials in 2000. The songs never had a CD release or anything but they were copyrighted and entered into the system for those commercials.

    https://www2.jasrac.or.jp/eJwid/main?trxID=F00100

    MM.JPG
     
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  9. Hampo -member- -member-

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    Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:17 am

    For whatever reason I always just assumed the lyrics were done by Tetsu. Maybe I confused it with Ma Chérie, because I remember some live show recording where Tetsu sang that.
    Then again, their website states that the lyrics to Ma Chérie were written by the band and not just one person.

    I was all wrong, I guess.

    Slight off-topic, but the thing I love about this forum the most is how these topics always make me go back and listen to the MM songs being discussed. And needless to say it here, but goddamn, this band truly was 10/10.
     
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  10. Js_klaus -eternite- eternite

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    Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:50 pm

    From my point of view Tetsu was simply credited as "Malice Mizer" on both ma chérie and shi no buto because he was no longer a member when those were released.
     
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  11. cardy -member- -member-

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    Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:47 am

    Tetsu must have given his blessing by letting the band use the lyrics for those two songs after he left.
    As we know Gackt wrote his own lyrics for Eege so he could've in theory written his own for those two songs but maybe the band wanted to keep as they were originally?
     
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  12. kaiisis -member- -member-

    kaiisis
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    Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:45 am

    Epsonnakajima wrote:
    Last year Kozi and Tetsu played 16 no Solitude
    https://www.scapeforums.com/index.p...kagi-live-with-session-band.6098/#post-338185
     
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  13. Js_klaus -eternite- eternite

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    Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:39 am

    I remember it was just Közi
     
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  14. cardy -member- -member-

    cardy
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    Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:52 pm

    Yes, Kozi performed 16 no Solitude by himself.
    Kozi and Tetsu (and Tusk and Futoshi) were only on stage together for the encore which wasn't streamed.
     
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