Why was Malice Mizer so Revolutionary?

[Annie's Grave]

FWIW Nirvana didn't really invent anything themselves. They popularized something that was already big in their local indie scene. I also remember Kurt Cobain saying something about how he wrote "Smells Like Teen Spirit" because he wanted to make a song that sounded like something this other band (The Pixies or Husker Du maybe?) had done. Still they are remembered as being revolutionary by some.

Oh and just to clarify, when I said before that I could write a paper of supporting the conclusion that MM were revolutionary that's not to say that someone else couldn't write one that debunked my claims. So yeah it's debatable. That's really because, in the end, what people think of as revolutionary is just as relative as their opinions of anything else.

-AG
That's Faith in that pic?? Okay then I change my opinion, anything she says is correct @__@ soooo pretty..... ^_^

 

[navate]

The beauty of writing a paper to prove something means that is doesn't necessarily have to be true.

I wrote a paper on how "Bel Air" was a ballad. Was it? Not really. But it was close enough that I could twist it and make it sound as though it was. That's what makes a strong paper--a thesis statement that isn't nescessarily evident, but still able to be well argued.

So... was MM/Mana revolutionary? In the greater scheme of thingas, no. But on some sort of level... sure. Redefine revolutuionary so it fits, and present the facts so they support. Words aren't fickle. Definitions are what you make of them. I definately think I could write a strong paper on that subject, even if it's not true at all. If you present it the right way and are able to convince the reader you're right, then that should be enough. Just make sure your sources are legitamate.

Good luck!

 

[flowersofnight]

I definately think I could write a strong paper on that subject, even if it's not true at all. If you present it the right way and are able to convince the reader you're right, then that should be enough.

I would argue that a paper that "proves" something that's not true can't be a strong paper by definition. But then again, that depends on your definition of a strong paper I suppose it could be a well-reasoned paper that just starts from unfounded premises, but...

EDIT: well... really, I'd say that the strength of a well-reasoned paper depends on the usefulness of its premises. Which is often strongly correlated with truthfulness...

 

[navate]

What I meant was the term "revolutionary" can be interperted many different ways, so even if you take a weird interpertation of it if you can make it work and support it well, it's all good. I love doing out-there papers; making a good case for something that isn't entirely true or obviously connected is what makes those stupid research papers fun. Plus, teachers seem to appreciate the break from trite themes. Of course one needs solid facts, solid sources, and a valid thesis, but so long as it's handled well people can push points in any direction so desired, even if the way they go about to prove it is not the standard way of thinking about the subject. I'd always thought the point of a thesis paper was to manipulate the facts to prove whatever you're after. What else is the point of subjective quoting and interperting the sources? Otherwise you're just regurgitating information everyone already knew. Bor-ing.

Of course, everything depends on how much leeway one has on the subject matter. If it's just "revolutionary"... that's open for interpertation. But if it specifically says "changed the world on a grand scale" then you might run into some trouble as far as Mana/MM goes.

On a more cynical note, school is only fun when you can bend the rules to your liking. ;] I've made a living off doing things I wasn't supposed to do, and being approved for it. Any argument that convinces becomes valid--and if you can convince your superiors of your point, than I'd hope (assuming intelligence on tne recieving end) that'd mean you made a strong case.

 

[faith]

BTW Faith who's the girl in this pic you posted:

http://www.geocities.com/bejente/yonsama2.jpg

Anyone you know? She's beautiful.

Gee golly, thank you ^^ tis me...

 

[manachan]

faith> so I was right you're really kawaii.

flowers/generally> yeah well, if they didn't influence anyone they wouldn't be revolutionary... -___- I'm dumb. But, weren't they influential on the VK scene? Like, popularising more extreme or crossdresser image, or something like that? I think though, when you would ask in 1998, if someone knew them, they would. My opinion though, I might not be right. Anyway, if you look for some VK infos, then the biggest bands would be X Japan, perhaps Luna Sea and Dir en grey AND Malice Mizer. *confused*
Personally, for me, they are revolutionary. Even though I don't listen to them 24/7 like I used to not very long ago, I still love their music, and probably always will. Plus, they were the most original band for me. -___-

 

[Priss]

Who's Malice Mizer?

 

[sailorKa]

XD I just LOVE it when you do that..really I do. <3
...I was going to argue here but I have to leave, I shall give my token tomorrow. XD

 

[nekoi]

Who's Malice Mizer?

Dunno.

 

[manachan]

Priss and Nekoi - funny funny

...plus they got me into gothic music.

 

[toshiro]

What sort of Gothic? New age gothic or Bara no Seidou/Voyage/memoire style gothic?

 

[faith]

Um...I don't know if anyone's interested, but they had another gothic lolita on TV. This time it was a 50 year old guy from the "Gay Club" with a bunny rabbit plushy. They were trying to make people's heartrates go the highest by waking them up in weird ways, so the guy came on and started biting parts of the sleeping guy's chest...

it worked. But there's another strike for gothic lolita. I do think this goes beyond just not accepting it. So, I mean, they've definitely had influence on the kind of shows they play at 2 am (along with gamer programs and wrestling) and the people who watch them. It's just not particularly a good influence. There are also lolita waitress clubs in Akihabara I've heard.

 

[Illaparatzo-sama]

....hahahahaahahahaha.

 

[Gordam]

Malice Mizer is not what i will call a revolutionnary band in an objective way..because his influence is not very big but...

I must admit Malice Mizer was a revolution to me.
I had been waiting for that kind of band since i 've been listening music.It's the most ecletic band i 've ever heard,and MM's music spread its own atmosphere on you.It's more than music to me,it's really what mana and Közi means,a reflection about humanity,"what is human?"

Malice Mizer tells stories,about human ,about us,about what is deep inside the base of a human being...
It's my feeling,my point of view,Malice is revolutionnary to me,to my conception of music..

 

[manachan]

What sort of Gothic? New age gothic or Bara no Seidou/Voyage/memoire style gothic?

um... how do you mean "new age gothic"? (dumbness)
well I'd say voyage only had some gothic moments, but nice ones... I mean, gothic music like gothic rock/gothic metal, but well, let's say I started to get interested in kinda anything goth with MM... though they are a very avantgarde goth band... I don't even know if to call them that, it wouldn't be 100% right I think...

faith>

gordam> you said that sooo nicely

 

[toshiro]

New Age Gothic is just a term I use to describe the sort of music "Goths" listen to. And by that I mean all this black/death metal stuff...

 

[manachan]

oh. um, I thought goths listen more to gothic metal which I LOVE. ....but enough offtopic