Dir en grey
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The lineup has been the same since the beginning of Dir en grey. The former band La:Sadies had Kisaki on bass instead of Toshiya however.
Bwahaha, what is that supposed to mean? XD Is his reputation really THAT bad?
Nah, he can sing--when he wants to. And when he doesn't want to, he's skilled at making aesthetically intriguing gurgles, giggles, and screams. Now that's talent. He'd a very unique scarily-disturbingly-adorably-creepy little man.
Nah, he can sing--when he wants to. And when he doesn't want to, he's skilled at making aesthetically intriguing gurgles, giggles, and screams. Now that's talent. He'd a very unique scarily-disturbingly-adorably-creepy little man.
I thought the same thing because Kyo with makeup looks totally different tome than kyo without makeup.
And his voice has been maturing since they first started, plus i didn't see thier PV's in any kind of order, I saw most of the gauze ones first, and then i saw Child Prey and Embryo... I thought it was a totally different person!
And his voice has been maturing since they first started, plus i didn't see thier PV's in any kind of order, I saw most of the gauze ones first, and then i saw Child Prey and Embryo... I thought it was a totally different person!
As for Kyo, well,,, I've never been too impressed with his voice. In fact, it almost ruined ディル for me *thinks of "aint afraid to die" and cringes*. Kyo isn' this AMAZING vocalist; he's OKAY. He's right down there with Tetsu. His voice breaks, he's often off key, and his singing sounds TERRIBLY forced whenever he sings high notes (exclude the times when he sings in a falsetto voice). And, while you may call this "an effect," it is still BAD SINGING. However, I do enjoy Dir en grey. In fact, DRAIN AWAY and macabre just happen to be two of my FAVORITE songs--ever. Again, this still doesn't excuse Kyo's NASTY, NASTY singing. They are WAY overrated, but still a decent band. It really annoys me how people brag about how innovative they are when ALL they do is rip off whatever is popular in the U.S. and add a SLIGHT Japanese twist to it. THAT'S IT. So, again, Dir en grey is DECENT--oh, hell, they're good, but they are by NO means great. Hmm... now I'm in the mood for some ディル. 
*plays macabre*
Rock on, I guess...
*plays macabre*Rock on, I guess...
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Whoa there... that's quite an insult!
.... to Tetsu!
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Yeah... I like Testu.
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I think kyo is a great vocalist... He has a lot of range and that is impressive. He can come up with the craziest noise in the world and he can repeat it on key. He also can come down and sing with a trained vocal style, he can scream well (not as easy as you think), he also can snap out of that typical visual vocal style whenever he wants to and turn it right back on when he wants to suck all the fans back in.
Er... that was a lot of rambling. Like kyo!
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Er... that was a lot of rambling. Like kyo!
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CookieMoses wrote:As for Kyo, well,,, I've never been too impressed with his voice. In fact, it almost ruined ディル for me *thinks of "aint afraid to die" and cringes*. Kyo isn' this AMAZING vocalist; he's OKAY. He's right down there with Tetsu. His voice breaks, he's often off key, and his singing sounds TERRIBLY forced whenever he sings high notes (exclude the times when he sings in a falsetto voice). And, while you may call this "an effect," it is still BAD SINGING. However, I do enjoy Dir en grey. In fact, DRAIN AWAY and macabre just happen to be two of my FAVORITE songs--ever. Again, this still doesn't excuse Kyo's NASTY, NASTY singing. They are WAY overrated, but still a decent band. It really annoys me how people brag about how innovative they are when ALL they do is rip off whatever is popular in the U.S. and add a SLIGHT Japanese twist to it. THAT'S IT. So, again, Dir en grey is DECENT--oh, hell, they're good, but they are by NO means great. Hmm... now I'm in the mood for some ディル.
Rock on, I guess...
I personally like Kyo's bizarre vocals.
I find it different and I guess that's why I find it so enjoyable to listen too.
I find it different and I guess that's why I find it so enjoyable to listen too.
Cookie: I have a sliiiight issue with what you're saying, so I'ma try to break down my/your argument.
I understand where you're coming from where you feel his voice breaks and he sounds forced on high notes, but I don't believe he's ever off-key, at least not on album. Live, he is, sorta.
Side note: Tetsu-bashing is old and tired.
And as you point out 'bad singing', there are plenty of Japanese male singers that don't have voices or 'effects' than many American vocal experts would say are 'good'. Not only does Kyo come to mind, but so do Kaya, Juka, and Klaha. (on an interesting side note: my mother is a long-time voice teacher and says she enjoys Tetsu and Gackt's voices the best).
Anyway, this is a matter of taste, but I feel like I should just say I respectfully disagree that Deg are overrated, or 'ripping people off'. This is an argument that many people have used against them, some examples being so pretentious as to call them "derivative" while offering little to no evidence to back this up.
At any rate, I do feel that Dir en grey are a great band. Certainly one of the more interesting live acts with an intense atmopshere on record that I really don't think can be matched.
Also...even KYO knows he's not a great singer. You may note that in several of the last singles or whatever when the band is being credited, he is listed as "prohet"--not 'singer', 'vocalist', or anything but 'prophet'. As some know, the strength of the 'vocals' in Dir en grey are the lyrics themselves: Kyo is widely known to have very intricately brilliant (yet entirely disgusting :-P) lyrics. There's an interview somewhere (whose source I can't find, sadly, although I hope someone can help out) in which he states that he believes he is not a good singer, and therefore this is why he wanted to be known as 'prophet' just as, say, Toshiya is known for 'bass'...because he wants to be noticed for his written/sung words, not the way he sounds.
...although I think he sounds great, especially on songs like 'the final' and the 'saku' single in which he really shows how his high range has stretched and strengthened.
I understand where you're coming from where you feel his voice breaks and he sounds forced on high notes, but I don't believe he's ever off-key, at least not on album. Live, he is, sorta.
Side note: Tetsu-bashing is old and tired.
And as you point out 'bad singing', there are plenty of Japanese male singers that don't have voices or 'effects' than many American vocal experts would say are 'good'. Not only does Kyo come to mind, but so do Kaya, Juka, and Klaha. (on an interesting side note: my mother is a long-time voice teacher and says she enjoys Tetsu and Gackt's voices the best).
Anyway, this is a matter of taste, but I feel like I should just say I respectfully disagree that Deg are overrated, or 'ripping people off'. This is an argument that many people have used against them, some examples being so pretentious as to call them "derivative" while offering little to no evidence to back this up.
At any rate, I do feel that Dir en grey are a great band. Certainly one of the more interesting live acts with an intense atmopshere on record that I really don't think can be matched.
Also...even KYO knows he's not a great singer. You may note that in several of the last singles or whatever when the band is being credited, he is listed as "prohet"--not 'singer', 'vocalist', or anything but 'prophet'. As some know, the strength of the 'vocals' in Dir en grey are the lyrics themselves: Kyo is widely known to have very intricately brilliant (yet entirely disgusting :-P) lyrics. There's an interview somewhere (whose source I can't find, sadly, although I hope someone can help out) in which he states that he believes he is not a good singer, and therefore this is why he wanted to be known as 'prophet' just as, say, Toshiya is known for 'bass'...because he wants to be noticed for his written/sung words, not the way he sounds.
...although I think he sounds great, especially on songs like 'the final' and the 'saku' single in which he really shows how his high range has stretched and strengthened.
Good points, Elec. And, I amire Kyo knowing where his place is. Keep in mind that I DO like Dir en grey, though, and I REALLY do try to keep an un-biased opinion. And, yeah, The Final and Saku rock.
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CookieMoses wrote:
Errrmmm
I read your post and I don't agree. Unless what you posted is supposed to be fact of some sorts o-o;;;And since we are walking on each others opinions, Drain away is probably my least favorite Deg song ever
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I love Dir en grey and adore Kyo. In my honest opinion, he's one of the best singers ever. I couldn't give to shits whether or not he's considered a good singer on some technical rating or what voice teachers think(no offense to those people). I enjoy his singing because its chaotic, horrid, and not the same old bullshit. Kyo has great range and just does all kinds of insane shit with his voice.
He is a genius song writer and an extremely great vocalist. I also just love his psychotic personality. I can relate to that....
He is a genius song writer and an extremely great vocalist. I also just love his psychotic personality. I can relate to that....
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I have a feeling that your problem isn't Kyo's 'down there' vocal abilities, it's his style of singing. Hence why you grouped him with Tetsu in that sentence. The way Kyo sings Ain't Afraid to Die and the way Tetsu sang in MM are similar. Maybe you should try to distinguish...CookieMoses wrote:
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Dir en grey are a very talented band, they just don't use it to their full potential because they are looking to be harsh and to get a certain message across. Kaoru and Die can certainly solo and Toshiya knows how to rock that bass. Shinya's a good drummer, but not my favorite. He's good enough though.
On the topic of Kyo's vocals.. I agree with those who say Kyo is a good vocalist.. or.. prophet. I don't think he ever really tries to sing at all, more of just uses.. Kyo-speak, as I call it.
Most usually complain about Diru's style change, but I don't mind it at all. I grew with the band so my style and tastes changed with theirs. I enjoy the music they make and continue to have faith in them. I don't think they ripped off American things at all. Kyo, when they were visual, sure did rip off a few things from Kiyoharu ( when he was in Kuroyume ) though. But even Dir en grey has grown out of that. One artist always derives their style from anothers, it's impossible to call yourself "original" really these days.
On the topic of Kyo's vocals.. I agree with those who say Kyo is a good vocalist.. or.. prophet. I don't think he ever really tries to sing at all, more of just uses.. Kyo-speak, as I call it.
Most usually complain about Diru's style change, but I don't mind it at all. I grew with the band so my style and tastes changed with theirs. I enjoy the music they make and continue to have faith in them. I don't think they ripped off American things at all. Kyo, when they were visual, sure did rip off a few things from Kiyoharu ( when he was in Kuroyume ) though. But even Dir en grey has grown out of that. One artist always derives their style from anothers, it's impossible to call yourself "original" really these days.
Truly. However, I also think it's nearly impossible to call them "derivative". ^_~
I THINK I see what you mean about not using themselves to their full potential... I still think they're amazing and haven't lost much faith since day one, but I do have to admit that their technical proficiency isn't shining through as much. Shinya seems to be the exception; he's still the most phenomenally talented drummer in jrock I can think of. The sound of his drums changed drastically over time, but he's still incredible.
The other boys, the 3 holding guit-sticks, haven't 'gotten worse', they just haven't been wowing with intricacies. Toshiya's essentially simply holding up the bottom lately, and solos are few and far between (although the one in Red...[em] is rather good).
Am I really complaining? Nah; I can still listen to the old stuff if I get a craving for two distinct and interwoven guitar parts and a snaky, cute little bassline.
Another interesting thing of note is to notice how Kyo's vocals have changed. As I'd already mentioned, his high end got much stronger and better, I feel, but also his 'screaminess' changed. Early days it was a demonic, vile screech that you just KNEW was him; lately it's a lot more low and growly.
In short: it's all good.
I THINK I see what you mean about not using themselves to their full potential... I still think they're amazing and haven't lost much faith since day one, but I do have to admit that their technical proficiency isn't shining through as much. Shinya seems to be the exception; he's still the most phenomenally talented drummer in jrock I can think of. The sound of his drums changed drastically over time, but he's still incredible.
The other boys, the 3 holding guit-sticks, haven't 'gotten worse', they just haven't been wowing with intricacies. Toshiya's essentially simply holding up the bottom lately, and solos are few and far between (although the one in Red...[em] is rather good).
Am I really complaining? Nah; I can still listen to the old stuff if I get a craving for two distinct and interwoven guitar parts and a snaky, cute little bassline.
Another interesting thing of note is to notice how Kyo's vocals have changed. As I'd already mentioned, his high end got much stronger and better, I feel, but also his 'screaminess' changed. Early days it was a demonic, vile screech that you just KNEW was him; lately it's a lot more low and growly.
In short: it's all good.
kyo should sing for moi dix mois, not permanently, just for one song.
don't mana and kyo have some sort of blood feud going on or something?
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