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~This is a continuation of the begining talk on the RANDOM thread. ~

Of course, that makes sense that he's only 'out for himself' and I personally have had a very long talk with the old Brit Lit teacher about whether or not Snape is doing what Machiavelli talked about in the Art of War, (if you want me to go on about that I shall) But I still hold onto the fact that he's good, even though JKR has , in not so many words, said that he's not >< ::flail::
OMG AND THE NEW EPPISODE OF MUGGLECAST CAME OUT ON TUESDAY! ::k::
 

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Re: Harry Potter chat omg spoilers etcetc

Akane wrote:
~This is a continuation of the begining talk on the RANDOM thread. ~

Of course, that makes sense that he's only 'out for himself' and I personally have had a very long talk with the old Brit Lit teacher about whether or not Snape is doing what Machiavelli talked about in the Art of War, (if you want me to go on about that I shall) But I still hold onto the fact that he's good, even though JKR has , in not so many words, said that he's not >< ::flail::
OMG AND THE NEW EPPISODE OF MUGGLECAST CAME OUT ON TUESDAY! ::k::

I don't follow mugglecast, so I can't share the joy. Haha.

Please elaborate on Snape and Machiavelli, though.

See, I don't think that Jo's (Haha, yeah, in my Harry Potter board, we totally call her Jo) really ever said Snape was evil or good. She's written him to be a very cold person for a reason. The memory Harry saw in the pensieve, I belive, is the main thing that changed him from the sad little boy he was into the cold hearted man he is now.

I wonder, though, if he acutally felt remorse for what he did to the Potters way back when.
 

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MA: Okay, big, big, big Book 6 question. Is Snape evil?

JKR: [Almost laughing] Well, you've read the book, what do you think?

ES: She's trying to make you say it categorically.

MA: Well, there are conspiracy theorists, and there are people who will claim -

JKR: Cling to some desperate hope [laughter] -

ES: Yes!

MA: Yes!

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Akane wrote:
JKR: Cling to some desperate hope [laughter] -
Copyright mugglenetblahblahblah

That doesn't make him evil, though. Sure, she slips some times, but it's never what we think it is.

Anywho, let's discuss Harry Potter, yo! cause this thread can't die. Even if it's just us two posting. haha.
 

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I think Severus is...I don't know...I'll wait and see.

I'm glad I'm not the only person that likes the old H.P. here. Not that I'm here much. Mugglenet rules. Emerson is ... I don't listen to Mugglecast though, I just find the books to be immensly enjoyable and I find digging into them and making predicitions and getting all "english class" on them take away from the the affect for me. I've only read them 12 times or so...HBP 15 or so. I like talking about what actually happened with other people...and talking about how much I loathe Slytherins, Malfoys, Dursleys, Snape, and Rita Skeeter...and the Unspeakable (not Voldy...umbridge). I swear, I'm going to have a stroke when movie 5 releases. That woman is satan.

I've got 3 coworkers to read them already...and I'm working on one more...

I just got all the audio books from the library and put them on my computer. FANTASTICAL! I work at a bank, and I was Harry for Halloween. I got to talk Hogwarts all day.

Anyway, I hate Snape. I have a feeling the Jo is going to have him TRY to redeem himself...but I don't like speculating. I'd rather just see want happens...

!!!HORCRUXES!!!
 

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minagoroshi wrote:
but I don't like speculating. I'd rather just see want happens...

Really?! With me, speculation is half the fun. Cause I get to see if I'm smart enough to figure out her little tricks that she uses. I love trying to figure out what's going to happen next, because as much as I guess, it's still something that I never would have expected. Aside from Dumbledore's death, of course.
 

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As soon as I finished reading the most recent book I wrote this essay about how Snape is actually good, which my little brother disproved immediately. It was really sad because he's not even a Harry Potter geek, just way smarter than me.

Then again I'm not really a Harry Potter geek either but I am interested in what people have to say :P
 

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minagoroshi wrote:
I think Severus is...I don't know...I'll wait and see.

I'm glad I'm not the only person that likes the old H.P. here. Not that I'm here much. Mugglenet rules. Emerson is ... I don't listen to Mugglecast though, I just find the books to be immensly enjoyable and I find digging into them and making predicitions and getting all "english class" on them take away from the the affect for me. I've only read them 12 times or so...HBP 15 or so. I like talking about what actually happened with other people...and talking about how much I loathe Slytherins, Malfoys, Dursleys, Snape, and Rita Skeeter...and the Unspeakable (not Voldy...umbridge). I swear, I'm going to have a stroke when movie 5 releases. That woman is satan.

I've got 3 coworkers to read them already...and I'm working on one more...

I just got all the audio books from the library and put them on my computer. FANTASTICAL! I work at a bank, and I was Harry for Halloween. I got to talk Hogwarts all day.

Anyway, I hate Snape. I have a feeling the Jo is going to have him TRY to redeem himself...but I don't like speculating. I'd rather just see want happens...

!!!HORCRUXES!!!

emerson is fucking awesome.
i met him at the premiere.
not to mention.... adorable too.

but honestly, i dont follow anything from mugglenet that much.
mostly hpana.com

as for snape... i'm never too fond of him anyway but i dont like the heroes either. my attentions always leads towards the bad guys. -sinister laugh-

;P
 

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Is everyone ready for my year and half long post?!
You better be!!!!!!!!

This is an e-mail I wrote just in case I should ever need it. So here -

I talked to the normal brit lit teacher about harry potter for like an hour an a half today. and here's what he told me :
This is what he thinks FOR SURE is the basic thing. (the stuff is bold is stuff that IM saying and the italicized is what I don't believe anymore after reasurch, but I'm keeping it in here just so you can see)
Alchamy- Turning metal into gold or otherwise known as the sorcerers stone
Process-
1. Black Stage - dissillusion, the breaking down of the elements to turn it into a simpler form - Sirius black ( in the 5th book, one could say that they're breaking down the Harry Potter Character not to mention that he himself is breaking down.He's totally going insane in the book)
2. White - purification - The name albus=white ( not to mention the white tomb)
-so, assuming that the books go into the theory, this next one SHOULD happen.

3. Red - rebuld - Rubeus= red
he thinks that Hagrid is going to die. So far Black has died, dumbledore has died. Now in order for everything to be rebuilt and such, hagrid needs to die. 0.0 it's a bit odd, yes. But..yeah.
That makes perfect sense

okay, so the next thing we talked about was RAB
He says
: Assuming RAB is Regulus Black, then we may also conclude that he is not dead. Let me rephrase. He may NOT be dead. You obviously know how JKR puts all sorts of things in her books, and she'd NEVER pick out a single word without thinking it out first ? Every word has a meaning? Well, look at the tower where Dumbledore is talking to Draco. Remember he said something like "Come over to the other side Draco, we can protect you, we can make it look like you're dead"
WELL
[/i]what if DUmbledore did that to Regulus, and Sirius didn't know about it?
Of course, there's the whole thing about how the note in the locket said "I know you will get this and I will have long since been dead" so I guess he could have said that buy just making it SEEMl ike he's dead..[/i]
another theory I came up with...during the whole..talking about RAB. Was this :
Remember how Dumbedore was screaming "don't do this to them! im sorry! it will never happen again!" etc? well, this is what I thought:

There's a theory going around that Lily and Regulus *assuming he's RAB* were..together, but that isn't of importance, so ... here we go
RAB *regulus* - > goes to get the locket -> switches the potions to make Voldemort feel pain about what he did to the kids. Make him re-live it and feel pain -> RAB dies *totally disproving the theory of Dumbledores protection..but that's okay* -> Dumbeldore ended up drinking the potion making him feel the guilt about the kids, even though it was intended for Voldy.
I know that's a streach, but I just had to mention that.

Back to what the man said to me :
another one could be Snape could be taking on the role of Machivelli - thus
If you take everyone over you'll have two choices
1. complete kill them off -or-
2. Completely liberate them.

There's a quote from this, saying "Keep your friends close, keep your enemys closer" In the 4th movie, sirius says 'keep your friends close harry!'
there is a person in "The Prince" by Machivelli notice, the prince, the HALF-BLOOD PRINCE named Septimius Severus he then read me a passage from that book and I took notes on it :
Severus - had too much ability to stay on the sidelines (he's totally a great potions master)
- He has the ablility to rule
- mark of fox or lion ( in the chapter the spinners end, the first thing you see is a Fox )
there are 2 obsticals for Severus of Machivelli- or 2 individuals he must defeat
Asia - Which had an emperor , a self proclaimed lord(which is standing for Voldemort here)
and the west, where Albumus came from (funny how that name CLOSELY resembles albus. Coincidence? I think not.)

In the book, Severus judged it too dangerous to show his enimitity to both because that would make him half 2 enemys, and that would ruin his plan, so he kills one and then the other.
Everything Severus tells Albunus, Albunus believes as the truth (just like albus)

So that is completely and utterly closely related. Which is kinda creepy.
So here're 2 possibilities.
1. Snape, based on Machivelli's story, is really in it to get his own power. lets recap
- He was working for both Voldemort and Dumbledore, and in the end shows himself as faithful for Voldemort.
so, assuming all of this to be the truth, then Snape wants to get himself power, and MY view on this is as follows
at the end we all know how snape tried to teach harry how to work spells and close his mind
well, what if Snape was trying to prepare him for the fight with Voldemort, it was him after all
who heard the prophecy in the first place so he knows that the only one to kill voldemort would have to be
harry, so he wants harry to off voldemort, and he'll off harry, thus being the most powerful

also, according to the guy (which I don't think this is related to this theory at all)

in order for Harry to grow he had to get rid of the person standing in his way, for him to be the most powerful. Like, in starwars for instance, if Yoda hadn't died, Luke would never be the best Jedi. Yoda HAD to die for Luke to realize his destiny. Just like with Harry. Dumbeldore HAD to die for Harry to realize his destiny and to be the best. DUmbledore is gone, now all that's standing in Snapes way is Voldemort. And since Harry has nothing standing in HIS way, does that make sense? it does to me.
which. it totally does make sense BUT -
2. it doesn't explain the look of disgust on Snapes face when he has to kill Dumbledore, so tossing the other theory aside Snape really is faithful to Dumbledore

him" Yeah...I remember, because of the argument Snape overheard...it said 'you're taking advantage of me' or 'what if I don't want to do it' etcetc.
yes. exactly. That was a theory on mugglenet.

Moving on. He also thought that the Veil symbolizes death. We don't know ANYTHING about death and we don't know anything about the veil. He also doesn't know if Harry CAN live. He think's Harry will make the sacrifice of killing himself and bringing Voldemort with him. Taking them both through the veil. That was a theory that I believed the whole time.

-woo, this is taking a long time and I'm so fucking tired. But I MUST keep_going-

The teacher also said that he thinks the locked door in the department of mysteries is religion. Whether that matters in the story or not, ... but still, it's quite interesting to think about .

NOW
In book 5 remmeber when moody is showing Harry the picture and he said - " Caradoc Dearborn we never found his body"
it was just in passing: but we all know that when something is just in passing with JKR it's never JUST IN PASSING. so. that will probably be important.

alos, JKR said that there was one member of the order that we havent met yet. He thinks that it's Albus's brother. I can't remember if it said he died or not, but Im too tired to look it up. Anyway, that mystery character, the teacher said, may ALSO be the bartender from the Hogs Head.
*yawn* that's all of my notes.
So I'll probably add more to this tomorrow, but that's just some thoughts for right now.
Goodnight.

write me back with your responses.


/end e-mail

Though the Machiavelli theory makes complete sense, in my head anyway, it still doesn't change the fact that I trust Snape. I just trust him. Maybe I'm just clinging to some desperate hope like JKR said, but .. Snape was my favourite character. ><
 

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wow O_o many long post here! :grin:
*reads*
I don't go on any HP sites and stuff so i don't know theories and such >< actually i just started reading the series through again cos i was chatting to someone yesterday and was reminded how much i love it! XD :)
I think Snape will turn out to be on the 'good' side somehow but I dunno how... @_@ (that's just a theory and because there are some things that make him not quite fit with being totally servant of Voldemort ><)
 

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We should make a poll about what could be the most stupid Horcruxes :D like, Snape himself ::k:: or the Invisibility Cloak... :cool:
 

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Akane I totally gave up reading that post of yours :P Sorry...

Well I was hoping that Dumbledore wasn't actually dead but it seems JK has confirmed it.. And it's also pretty confirmed that RAB is Regulus [something about one of the translators asking to know the gender of RAB and JK's people saying it was Regulus Arcturus Black].
I think Snape isn't faithful to Voldemort though... I'm not saying he's good, but I think he isn't faithful in the sense the Lestranges or Malfoy are faithful... btw I LOVE Bellatrix! I was very much hoping for a little more character developing in the latest book but she's only in the second chapter -__-

I like speculating but I think it's really ridiculous the amount of absurd theories that people have XD like connecting books and historical facts and legends and everything to try to predict what JK's going to write next! And the pairing theories are always awesome!! (btw Akane, I stoped reading when I got to Lilly x Regulus and had a laughing fit :roll: ) I've heard of every possible pairing by now and some are so ridiculous... Snape x Lilly is really popular though I always found it very unlikely.



Does anyone know when movie 5 and book 7 are comming out?
 

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fifth movie is set to come out July 14th or something, the seventh book in unconfermed but the rumour is that it's coming out 7-7-07
Which would totally be cool

lol @ the LilyXSnape
I mean, Lily was popular ... but ...
In on interview JKR said that Lupin liked Lily. haha. Poor werewolf

You said you had a laughing fit..
Well, I had that in italics, meaning I don't believe it anymore. That was written months ago, and I'm in the process of writing another one, but it's taking a while, what with school and everything.

Yes. Dumbledore is dead. (regardless of what dumbledoreisnotdead.com says) and I never saw where she confirmed the RAB thing being Regulus black, but I know she said that we would be able to figure out who it is within 10 minutes.

Also, as was common, I think that the Locket they couldn't open in the Nobel and most Ancient house of Black was one of the horcruxes.
Perhaps RAB got ahold of that one too?

I can't wait till harry goes to Godrics Hollow. ^.^
 

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Akane wrote:
and I never saw where she confirmed the RAB thing being Regulus black, but I know she said that we would be able to figure out who it is within 10 minutes.

Also, as was common, I think that the Locket they couldn't open in the Nobel and most Ancient house of Black was one of the horcruxes.
Perhaps RAB got ahold of that one too?
I think the RAB confirmation thing was with the portuguese translators then =P but I got the info from pretty reliable sources XD that is a friend of mine who's a huge fan and knows the translator... she was actually the one who sugested the name for the portugues editon (which I hated but anyway...]

Well I DO think that locket is THE horcrux that was switched! In fact it would make perfect sense with RAB being Regulus and I'm quite sure he is. Now the locket is probably lost somewhere because it's probably one of the things Mundungus (sp?) stole (or else JK wouldn't have bothered mentioning he was stelling things from the house) or with Kreacher somewhere.

Agh I can't wait for the book!! ><

And I'm going to hate the movie, like I always hate HP movies... Specially because I don't think Helena Bonham Carter looks like Bellatrix at all =/ I think they should have gotten Anjelica Huston or Carrie-Anne Moss [from The Matrix] but they're not british... Kristin Scott Thomas would be fantastic too though and she is british :cry: [/rant]
 

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Akane wrote:
Is everyone ready for my year and half long post?!
You better be!!!!!!!!

This is an e-mail I wrote just in case I should ever need it. So here -

I talked to the normal brit lit teacher about harry potter for like an hour an a half today. and here's what he told me :
This is what he thinks FOR SURE is the basic thing. (the stuff is bold is stuff that IM saying and the italicized is what I don't believe anymore after reasurch, but I'm keeping it in here just so you can see)
Alchamy- Turning metal into gold or otherwise known as the sorcerers stone
Process-
1. Black Stage - dissillusion, the breaking down of the elements to turn it into a simpler form - Sirius black ( in the 5th book, one could say that they're breaking down the Harry Potter Character not to mention that he himself is breaking down.He's totally going insane in the book)
2. White - purification - The name albus=white ( not to mention the white tomb)
-so, assuming that the books go into the theory, this next one SHOULD happen.

3. Red - rebuld - Rubeus= red
he thinks that Hagrid is going to die. So far Black has died, dumbledore has died. Now in order for everything to be rebuilt and such, hagrid needs to die. 0.0 it's a bit odd, yes. But..yeah.
That makes perfect sense

I do think that Hagrid will be the next to die, but I don't think that he needs to for things to be rebuilt and such. If anybody needs to die for things to be rebuilt, obviously, it's Voldemort. Hagrid, in my opinion, is going to be there to guide Harry for the rest of the way. But he won't be able to help him. He doesn't have the skill. All Hagrid's been, as I see it, is a guide.
Your regulus theory about him not being dead
This one would probably work if it wasn't for the fact that Dumbledore and Harry went to go find the horcrux. Why would Dumbledore go searching for something he already had? He wouldn't risk his life to do it.


also, according to the guy (which I don't think this is related to this theory at all)
in order for Harry to grow he had to get rid of the person standing in his way, for him to be the most powerful. Like, in starwars for instance, if Yoda hadn't died, Luke would never be the best Jedi. Yoda HAD to die for Luke to realize his destiny. Just like with Harry. Dumbeldore HAD to die for Harry to realize his destiny and to be the best.
It's possible Dumbledore's death was part of Harry being able to realize his destiny. But, at the same time, I think it was included so Harry could finally grow up and not have anybody to fall back on when the Final Battle finally comes. It also showed that nobody, not even Dumbledore, was too powerful, and I guess, could be a way to give Harry hope. Everybody knows Harry thought Dumbledore was the greatest wizard ever. Well, if Dumbledore could die at the hands of Snape, then what's to say that Voldemort can't die at Harry's?

Moving on. He also thought that the Veil symbolizes death. We don't know ANYTHING about death and we don't know anything about the veil. He also doesn't know if Harry CAN live. He think's Harry will make the sacrifice of killing himself and bringing Voldemort with him. Taking them both through the veil. That was a theory that I believed the whole time.
Harry pushing himself along with Voldemort into the veil? I don't think so. It seems too cliche hero for her to write that.

The teacher also said that he thinks the locked door in the department of mysteries is religion. Whether that matters in the story or not, ... but still, it's quite interesting to think about .

I think that it's love. I'm not sure if it was mentioned in the book or something, but I'm pretty sure it's love. Religion doesn't have much to do with the books, but love is one of the important themes of the books.

NOW
In book 5 remmeber when moody is showing Harry the picture and he said - " Caradoc Dearborn we never found his body"
it was just in passing: but we all know that when something is just in passing with JKR it's never JUST IN PASSING. so. that will probably be important.
Sure, Jo never mentnions anything in passing, on purpose anyway, but, some things aren't as important. I don't recall anything in the books having to do with the initials CD. WAIT! I LIED! Cedric Diggory, but, that's different, because he died himself. Other than Cedric, I can't think of anything of importance with CD in it.

alos, JKR said that there was one member of the order that we havent met yet. He thinks that it's Albus's brother. I can't remember if it said he died or not, but Im too tired to look it up. Anyway, that mystery character, the teacher said, may ALSO be the bartender from the Hogs Head.
Aberforth, I believe, was confirmed to be the bartender at the Hog's Head. And, if it hasn't been confirmed, it's pretty obvious, because Abeforth got in trouble for doing things with goats and the Hog's Head had a strong goat smell.


he Machiavelli theory makes complete sense, in my head anyway, it still doesn't change the fact that I trust Snape. I just trust him. Maybe I'm just clinging to some desperate hope like JKR said, but .. Snape was my favourite character. ><

The Machiavelli thing does make sense, but I don't think she'd base her story with from that book. It also kind of doesn't work just because Harry's the main character, not Snape. Why would she spend so long writing about Harry and his friends if, in the end, it's Snape who's going to kill Voldemort? Plus, she's never really talked about Snape's ambition in the books.
 

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Yeah. I actually went back and READ what I wrote, and some of it doesn't make sense. As I said, I'm in the process of writing another one, and I will of course, tell you when I finish it.
AS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF MYSTERIES!
I listened to the Mugglecast from I think, two weeks ago, and took notes on it because I'm a dork, and here's what I got-

MuggleCast 60- Where is the love
Disclaimer - blahblah I do not own most of the things I'm about to write, lalalla, it was all said by them, omg, and yeah. kthx.

~No security the night of the Department of Mysteries --

Destracted?
Death eaters set it up?
someone from the order should have been ther e
Cover got blown with Aurtur was hurt

BRAIN ROOM-
~Madam Pompfrey- Thoughts can leave deep scars
Both mental and psyical
Does ron have the thoughts that was connected to him? or the memories of the person who's brain attacked him?
Whos brains get into the room
(insert jokes of wizards donating thier body to science)

LOVE ROOM-
Locked
How to catch love?
How do they contain love in a room?
Death chamber was open yet the love room wasn't...
( Okay. They said something about love being so beautiful and so pure no one can see it without like melting or something. I don't know about you guys, but it totally reminds me of the Devine Comedy...where Dante sees God and that's where it ends because he can't describe it. Just a little observation)
Rom was looking at the viel with a sense of longing and apprehension
Doesn't get enough love? Thinking about Hermione? WHAT?!
Can cirtain people open the door?
Melted the knife

PROPHECY-
"A solstice will come anew....and no one will come after" <-- possibly be important
Any reprocutions for breaking the prophecies
if the ministry cant listen / remove the prophecy why is it there?

PLANET ROOM-
Luna blew up Pluto (oh the irony)
Allignment of planets has to do with future
gravity as 'the force'
stars studied by centars

OTHER-
5/12 doors they went through
All of the rooms were inter connected
Hall of prophecy -> time room
-> planet room
Deathroom -> brain room
7 doors left but probably wont know the rest
Harry go back to the DoM?

Harry has a lot of power-
the ministry might -
let him in the DoM
Lily an unspeakable/ James an unspeakable?
Bring hermione back in?
speak with unspeakable?

~end notes~
I just wrote down what they had said, I didn't make judements yet
 

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yegh, Now I'm going to have to follow mugglecast. :(. Oh well, it's not like it's going to kill me.

The love and melt thing is kinda ridiculous to me. But, it's something she'd probably write.
 
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