Anyone think Mana's gotten lazy?

[Herr Doktor Knave]

sometimes I think that I'm the only one who beleives that the overal quality of M10M's music is leaps and bounds ahead of anything MM ever produced.

I Love MM, and they're the group that got me into this whole VK thing, but after hearing Moi Dix Mois, listening ot Malice Mizer seems substandard ina way. Thre musicians of Malice Mizer weredefinetly brilliant people, but not one song carries the same power that Moi Dix Mois pours into each and every track.

In a sense though, I thikn mana has gotten a little lazy, but not in the way you're all discussing.

i jsut think that the way mana releases his songs is sluggish, I first heard about M10M in summer 2001.

here we are 4 years later, and moi dix mois has released a total of 30 songs. This is not including insturmentals and "X" versions.

but I guess that beats Eve of Destiny's grand total of 10 songs in 4 years.

I dunno, i jsut don't like mana's style of "one or two songs, here, one or two songs there."

regardless, I will continue to throw my money at him, as he sits in his manstion and cackles at me, knowing that the addict always comes back for more.

 

[Geisha]

I never said the music isn't good, I just miss the variety I enjoyed from previous bands. Sure MdM tracks have variety within their own genre but I miss hearing orchestral, rock and pop tracks all on one album

I know lots of bands in many different genres but I don't know any band who has orchestral, rock and pop tracks all on one album, at least not to the same degree as MM. MM was an exception, not the rule. If this is what you expect from a band with "variety" then virtually every band out there will be a disappointment to you. :?

I supoose that's a bit much to hope for with Mana's black metal image. I kind of feel like he's started to take himself too seriously with MdM, at least some of the MM tracks were fun - Brise being an example which leaps into my mind.

Mana has said many times that M10M is not a continuation of MM. Sure, some of the songs sound similar (after all, they were written by the same person who composed most of MM's songs) but it's a different concept. As others have said, MM was the sum of its members, who all had very different approaches and musical visions, even though they worked towards a common goal. M10M is much more personal. It's Mana expressing himself through music and he is obviously deeply into all that dark and dramatic stuff, so chances that he is going to write a super happy song are slim. It's just not who he is.

MM wasn't a very happy band either BTW. I mean, "malice and misery"...?

 

[D]

I always thought that Pageant was a happy song......it really cheers me up!
I guess that's not enough happiness for some though TT__TT
But ehrm......I like where Moi dix Mois is going! They have a great sound

 

[the_limpit]

Unmoved << i want to here this song but i cant find it

i need someones help

i can't find it anywhere

 

[Herr Doktor Knave]

so far it's only made it's debut on the "Invite to Immortality" European Tour DVD, which will cost you either 80 dollars or 80 hours of downloading, depending on your connection.

 

[the_limpit]

thank you for the help
greatly appreciated

 

[navate]

In a sense though, I thikn mana has gotten a little lazy, but not in the way you're all discussing.

i jsut think that the way mana releases his songs is sluggish, I first heard about M10M in summer 2001.

here we are 4 years later, and moi dix mois has released a total of 30 songs. This is not including insturmentals and "X" versions.

but I guess that beats Eve of Destiny's grand total of 10 songs in 4 years.

I dunno, i jsut don't like mana's style of "one or two songs, here, one or two songs there."

regardless, I will continue to throw my money at him, as he sits in his manstion and cackles at me, knowing that the addict always comes back for more.

Hmm, I understand what you are saying. But Mana seems to be a very deliberate, precise, artistic perfectionist. Everyone's productivity rate is different. It often has nothing to do with laziness--it's simply how the person works. I don't think it's fair to think him lazy for not being able to belt out song after song--not when he's clearly pouring his heart and soul into every release. Quality, not quantity, you know? ;]

 

[Herr Doktor Knave]

well think aobut it this way.

I think we all heard that shibuya AX bootleg in 2001, what was that? six or seven songs?
Mana obviously had those songs written well enough to a point where he was comfortable playing them live.

it took OVER A YEAR for him to finally release a single with two tracks. and another year after that to release an album of 13 tracks... 3 of which were hardly songs at all.

I dunno, maybe it's jsut me being impatient, and also frustrated that I can't just abandon my responsabilities to go see them play live. So maybe this release schedule worked jsut fine for his fans in japan who could quench thier m10m thirst by going to a concert, but for the minority in the states, waiting two years listening to a tape recorded bootleg gets old fast.

I know, I keep harping on this subject, but hey, what can i say, bitching makes me feel better.

 

[ProphetofShadow]

I don't see anything wrong with the rate at which Mana releases things at all. The bootleg you are referring to was actually from their debut live on July 31, 2002. Dialogue Symphonie came out in November of the same year, followed by Dix Infernal in March of '03, then Scars of Sabbath at the end of that year. 2004 saw three releases and now we've got Invite to Immorality this year.

We've yet to go a full year without seeing at least one release from Moi dix Mois since the band debuted. Of course, with Juka's leaving, that may now change, but only time will tell, I suppose.

 

[Kageryu]

I don't think that Mana has gotten lazy. As ProphetofShadow said, there were 3 releases last year. Now it may last a while until a new release because Mana has to find a new singer .

 

[TangledKaya]

I actually see Mana losing some creativety also. I find everything M10M has done to sound similar, though I really don't mind this. I love all the songs they have done, though once in a while it would be nice to get some change.

 

[Annie's Grave]

Well the standard full length CD is 10-12 songs long. In four years that's be 40-48 songs (if the artist releases a full length CD every year). Being that MdM has only released 2 full-lengths I'd say they're way ahead of the curve based on the number of songs they've realeased thus far.

I can understand why a person would feel like the releases were sluggish though. I mean I'd consider myself a pretty hardcore fan and that means I'm constantantly in a state of waiting for the next big MdM "thing" to happen. Major label record industry methods in the US would say that a big/popular act should do something big at least once every three months (once per business quarter) to maintain/expand their popularity and make their mark in the company's profit-line each quarter. This obviously works differently in the Japanese Indies scene (they don't have bean counters to answer to so much) so I think the fact that Mana and co. have stuck pretty well with the 3-4 big things a year routine is above and beyond the call of duty. Mana runs his label. He could just put out a CD every three years and do one performance per CD if he wanted to.

So yeah, I'm thinking Mana isn't lazy but some of us fans still want more more more all the time. A crime I'm guilty of as well but it still doesn't diminish all the work Mana, MN, and MdM have put into things.

 

[Midi]

Agreed.

Anyway, I'm all for Quality over Quantity.