favourite angura-kei band?

[letrista vigarista]

They used to do the whole traditional garb thing, which pretty much seems to be the most generic defining factor of angura..

but it's not. there are angura bands that don't necessarily dress in kimono or military outfits. angura is similar to eroguro, but eroguro is a pre-WWII movement, angura is post-war. so they seem to me as little different in their attitute. angura has a lot of 60's intervention spirit, revivalism and at the same time an attempt to innovate. eroguro seems to have more of a... zest for life? indulgence and depravity just for the sake of depravity? (not unlike its contemporary movements in the west...) how can you see the difference if not for the themes or the attitude of the bands? that's where the hanging out with certain groups matters, i think; i could agree if you said that maybe there are angura bands that aren't true to the angura spirit and become angura just for playing at the same lives as other angura bands and so on.

i checked the wiki articles and none said onmyouza were angura, and i'm pretty sure that nothing of the kind is on jrocksaga either
so where are people saying that onmyouza are angura? inugami on the other hand, they call themselves angura. which makes it pretty easy to say for sure, yes they are angura. (of course it helps that they have weird lyrics, visuals and general outlook on life.)
angura is not like visual kei. and if angura was just about image, then picture mushy-ballad gackt dressed like guruguru eigakan... would gackt be angura then?
(oh my.... so tempted to "photochop" this!!! )

on a different note, i've tried looking for books on angura only, specifically on music, but found squat. not even japanese authors... though my very-very limited japanese wouldn't be of any help if i did come across any such books

there is however a new book on terayama shuji being released soon if anyone is interested. (link)
i think understanding angura theater/cinema/literature helps to get a better grasp on what angura aims for. btw, there's a sentence on that book's synopsis that feels very appropriate (and probably sums it up better than i ever could):

"Among the key themes she explores are the ruins of personal and national identity in the wake of Hiroshima, the Occupation, and the anti-American demonstrations of the 1960s; the paradoxical links between Japanese nostalgia, performance, and postmodernity"

... okie, i'm going to try and post this before my computer collapses for good, the poor thing (in any case, i've said pretty much all i had to say on the matter

 

[Formless]

Obviously all this arguing is pretty pointless since no one is going to agree here. No official source says whether a band is Angura or not. So until a band says they're whatever genre like Inugami does, let's just think whatever we want instead of making posts with obnoxiously placed emoticons to make ourselves seem like we know everything, hm? Because having a friendly debate would just be too much to ask.

 

[navate]

They used to do the whole traditional garb thing, which pretty much seems to be the most generic defining factor of angura..

but it's not. there are angura bands that don't necessarily dress in kimono or military outfits. angura is similar to eroguro, but eroguro is a pre-WWII movement, angura is post-war. so they seem to me as little different in their attitute. angura has a lot of 60's intervention spirit, revivalism and at the same time an attempt to innovate.

If, according to you, angura does not rely on visuals (thus excluding Onmyoza from the category simply because they dress traditionally) but instead relies on lyrics and attitudes with spiritual/revivalism/innovative tones... doesn't that still make Onmyoza an angura band, as their lyrics and message are highly spiritual and innovative with their band concept of "the joining of the yin and yang", as stated on their official site?

 

[aka]

Am also doing the sleepy illicit rambling thing. But yeah, Kagrra, would be super angura if they'd just hook up with Ao or something. Then they'd encompass ALL ANGURA KEI EVER. Traditional garb, sometimes metal, sometimes annoying jazzy elevator, catchy, and AO. Too bad no Ao.

Isn't that what Misshitsu Neurosis/misshitsu-kei is? Everyone that is friends with Ao is in the Misshitsu Neurosis. Like in school... Ao is the really popular girl and if you're friends with her you're part of that clique who call themselves the Pink Girls or something.. or in this case the Misshitsu Neurosis.

 

[Kame]

Isn't that what Misshitsu Neurosis/misshitsu-kei is? Everyone that is friends with Ao is in the Misshitsu Neurosis. Like in school... Ao is the really popular girl and if you're friends with her you're part of that clique who call themselves the Pink Girls or something.. or in this case the Misshitsu Neurosis.

I'm a little confused what you mean by that... or heck I'm more than confused as to what misshitsu-kei is. Nejimaki mentions it, but never really explains it (or I have yet to find an explanation if it does).

 

[letrista vigarista]

kazuo, my avatar "pessoano" is mocking your rudeness and unfriendliness.

navate, i've pretty much said what i thought about it, so no point in repeating myself, before things get ugly.

misshitsu neurose is cali's label. their site seems to be like... totally gone now. "catch ya later" boo

supposedly, there'll be a cali gari only site soon. while don't they make up their minds, here's a great cali gari site with a lot of info. very niiice.

 

[Formless]

kazuo, my avatar "pessoano" is mocking your rudeness and unfriendliness.

navate, i've pretty much said what i thought about it, so no point in repeating myself, before things get ugly.

misshitsu neurose is cali's label. their site seems to be like... totally gone now. "catch ya later" boo

supposedly, there'll be a cali gari only site soon. while don't they make up their minds, here's a great cali gari site with a lot of info. very niiice.

Pointing out your, apparently unknown to yourself, obnoxious posting was to avoid further conflict. Placing little emoticons next to what you have to say to make yourself seem more intelligent or right is what seems to be rude here. I was more than respectful to you in previous posts but yet you still reply with arrogant "I know everything. What I have to say is law." posts, but then try to pass it off with "That's what I think." when you're clearly telling others they're wrong.

 

[navate]

navate, i've pretty much said what i thought about it, so no point in repeating myself, before things get ugly.

No need to repeat yourself since that would only merit you contradicting yourself again. A clarification, however, of how bands that have the attitude, lyrical quality, and costuming stereotype that equals angura kei are not angura kei would be appreciated. I'm not sure why you are so adamant about your personal standards for angura being the end-all-be-all of the genre. It's just a label, i.e. stupid, silly, limiting, and undefined. Nothing will get ugly so long as we all see that there is no strict definition of angura, and therefore it is open to interpretation and relies on the general consensus to be defined.


Unless that stab at Kazuo's rudeness was purely sarcastic, please be aware we have rules regarding treating other members with respect. That comment was completly unecessary. He has said nothing out of line; your posts are coming across as much ruder than his because of your attitude on the matter.

 

[Formless]

On a lighter note.. it'd be nice if "STOP! the gogatsubyou" was still a working site. :?

 

[navate]

On a lighter note.. it'd be nice if "STOP! the gogatsubyou" was still a working site. :?

I'm so out of the loop. Explain!

 

[Formless]

On a lighter note.. it'd be nice if "STOP! the gogatsubyou" was still a working site. :?

I'm so out of the loop. Explain!

If I remember correct, it was centered around Angura and Eroguro.. but it doesn't work anymore. It was a nice site though!

 

[sailorKa]

On a lighter note.. it'd be nice if "STOP! the gogatsubyou" was still a working site. :?

;_; That was the most absolutely loveliest site ever.
Oh, how I cry at the memories.
I found Inugami that way...and it was the only page i think with information on Here's the Hamsters. D: Booo...

Also, I could also garble my way out in this post about how and what I think is Angura, but... I'm tweaking my Lj to have an Inugami-Kyoko background and so I'm very busy! XD
But I will say that "Traditionalism" is a feeling carried among the Angura spirit. And I'm not talking just the music.

And because of their "let's go back to our roots" feelings, You could say they are on-par with the "sonno joi" sentiment.
Not that i'm implying that Angura bandmembers are xenophobic or anything... I just get that feeling overall, and I like it.

--k

 

[sailorKa]

I found Inugami that way...and it was the only page i think with information on Here's the Hamsters. D: Booo...

(yes, i double-post and quote myself...*weirdo*)
This makes me wonder...
I can barely remember anything about Here's the Hamsters, info or visual-wise. I can only remember that at one point, all the members changed their names to "JohN" or something hilarious like that....
but...
they were clearly Angura as everyone is concerned, but, If I remember their look correctly they didn't look very traditional... but this is just me and I haven't slept and I haven't seen their picture since "Stop! the disease" closed Soooo....I'll shut up njow. >_<

--k Sorry.

 

[letrista vigarista]

i wasn't aware that placing "little emoticons" was a sign of intelligence. if i'm telling you you're wrong and that's not appropriate, why are you telling me i'm wrong then? how is your wrong-telling better than mine?

also, i've told what i think angura stands for and why onmyouza isn't angura with actual points other than "because i think so". my mistake to actually try to back up my thoughts.

A clarification, however, of how bands that have the attitude, lyrical quality, and costuming stereotype that equals angura kei are not angura kei would be appreciated.

unless i'm misunderstanding you, where have i said this? i believe i said the exact opposite. but if you mean onmyouza, then they don't have it...

i'd like to.... for once, see a forum where people don't put new members down in favor of the regulars when they behave badly and attack newcomers (never happening, because that's just how it works, but it would be refreshing). kazuo's attitude was worse than mine, AND, i've seen "kazuos" posting on other jrock sites with the exact same attitude, so i'm guessing it's the same person, going after different people. anyway, i'm not trying to post things like i know it all, i'm just sharing what i do know and what i've read about angura. again, maybe my bad. just don't try to pull the "this forum's rules" on me, because i'm not the one breaking them. i think scape's got some lovely people posting here, but i'd rather not stay here at all if it's just causing clashes with the rest. kazuo, get some anger management courses, k? the internet's a poor substitute. that's all.

 

[Formless]

i wasn't aware that placing "little emoticons" was a sign of intelligence. if i'm telling you you're wrong and that's not appropriate, why are you telling me i'm wrong then? how is your wrong-telling better than mine?

also, i've told what i think angura stands for and why onmyouza isn't angura with actual points other than "because i think so". my mistake to actually try to back up my thoughts.

A clarification, however, of how bands that have the attitude, lyrical quality, and costuming stereotype that equals angura kei are not angura kei would be appreciated.

unless i'm misunderstanding you, where have i said this? i believe i said the exact opposite. but if you mean onmyouza, then they don't have it...

i'd like to.... for once, see a forum where people don't put new members down in favor of the regulars when they behave badly and attack newcomers (never happening, because that's just how it works, but it would be refreshing). kazuo's attitude was worse than mine, AND, i've seen "kazuos" posting on other jrock sites with the exact same attitude, so i'm guessing it's the same person, going after different people. anyway, i'm not trying to post things like i know it all, i'm just sharing what i do know and what i've read about angura. again, maybe my bad. just don't try to pull the "this forum's rules" on me, because i'm not the one breaking them. i think scape's got some lovely people posting here, but i'd rather not stay here at all if it's just causing clashes with the rest. kazuo, get some anger management courses, k? the internet's a poor substitute. that's all.

A) I don't belong to any other forums except the one me and DixPrincesse made. Don't even try to make up some crap in order to get your way.
B) I haven't gotten angry once. You're an internet persona. You have no effect on my life to even make me angry. Emotions don't apply here. Like you said, the internet's a poor substitute.
C) My attitude is certainly not worse than yours. I said awhile back that this argument wasn't going to get anywhere, yet it persisted. And if my attitude was worse, I would be ending my posts with "letrista vigarista, get some anger management courses, k? the internet's a poor substitute. that's all."
D) This forum is quite well run. No one is favored here, not even the regulars. I think everyone, at some point, has been warned in some way.

 

[flowersofnight]

letrista vigarista: We can't get along with everyone. But if you run across someone here whose style rubs you the wrong way, just let it go. Don't make it into a huge argument like you did here.

Kazuo: Receiving insults and accusations of rudeness doesn't make it OK to reply in kind.

Now both of you, drop it. This thread was actually getting back on-topic before it got derailed with this argument again. This thread has one more chance... and then I'm turning it into a goon!

 

[navate]

unless i'm misunderstanding you, where have i said this? i believe i said the exact opposite. but if you mean onmyouza, then they don't have it...

You wrote: "angura has a lot of 60's intervention spirit, revivalism and at the same time an attempt to innovate."
To which I asked: "doesn't that still make Onmyoza an angura band, as their lyrics and message are highly spiritual and innovative with their band concept of "the joining of the yin and yang", as stated on their official site?"
and then you told me you didn't want to repeat yourself. My question, however, was how you could exclude Onmyoza from angura when you defined angura as something they fit.

i'd like to.... for once, see a forum where people don't put new members down in favor of the regulars when they behave badly and attack newcomers (never happening, because that's just how it works, but it would be refreshing). kazuo's attitude was worse than mine, AND, i've seen "kazuos" posting on other jrock sites with the exact same attitude, so i'm guessing it's the same person, going after different people. anyway, i'm not trying to post things like i know it all, i'm just sharing what i do know and what i've read about angura. again, maybe my bad. just don't try to pull the "this forum's rules" on me, because i'm not the one breaking them. i think scape's got some lovely people posting here, but i'd rather not stay here at all if it's just causing clashes with the rest. kazuo, get some anger management courses, k? the internet's a poor substitute. that's all.

Actually, I yell at Kazuo constantly, so don't think we let regulars off easy. The internet is difficult because it's so easy to misinterpret things. Perhaps you need to check your own tone and presentation. You might not have meant things to come off the way they have, but it sounds like what it sounds like (“I know the facts and you don’t”). You don’t consider belittling comments like "I'm mocking you"; "Go get some anger management" as disrespectful? Personal attacks are not tolerated, and that is a personal attack as far as I'm concerned.

If you have a problem with someone or the way this forum is run, take it up in the feedback forums or PM myself or Flowersofnight.

 

[Formless]

letrista vigarista: We can't get along with everyone. But if you run across someone here whose style rubs you the wrong way, just let it go. Don't make it into a huge argument like you did here.

Kazuo: Receiving insults and accusations of rudeness doesn't make it OK to reply in kind.

Now both of you, drop it. This thread was actually getting back on-topic before it got derailed with this argument again. This thread has one more chance... and then I'm turning it into a goon!

Gotcha flowers, it's just my natural defense mechanism. I was trying to drop it when I started to talk about "STOP! the gogatsubyou", but that didn't go as I planned.

But anyway, I heard a bunch of people were displeased with Inugami Circus-dan's most recent album. I thought it sounded great though.

 

[navate]

But anyway, I heard a bunch of people were displeased with Inugami Circus-dan's most recent album. I thought it sounded great though.

I haven't heard it. :[ In fact, come to think of it I don't know where to buy any Inugami stuff. Who sells them?

 

[Formless]

But anyway, I heard a bunch of people were displeased with Inugami Circus-dan's most recent album. I thought it sounded great though.

I haven't heard it. :[ In fact, come to think of it I don't know where to buy any Inugami stuff. Who sells them?

You know, I don't know. o__O;