Invite to Immorality reviews

[necromancy]

Well I understand not putting favorism into a review but that review was a little harsh.

 

[Formless]

It is a bit harsh but he's cut into other musicians alot worse. So I don't think it's that bad, especially for Go. He can come up alot worse with that. So for him, I think that was pretty tame.

 

[Priss]

I didn't think it was so harsh, really. I don't really read his blog, so i don't know how badly he's been at other musicians.

...the songs still seem identical and display little-to-no songwriting skill

That being the worst thing he said, i think. But, to each his own, right? It hasn't changed my "want" to see the DVD. In fact, it's only made me more anxious for it to be shipped out.

 

[navate]

Upon reading the "review"--which, in my part of the world, I'd been taught to refer to as a flame; that is to say, a childish, immature, groudless bashing of something for no reason other than to anger people who might like it--I must say I'm not surprised. Go's a Mana-troll (and a troll to other musicans too, it seems); I've never seen him say a positive (or even neutral) thing about Moi dix Mois or do anything but childishly go on about how much ZOMGManasux@$$!!!!!111!1. I wish he'd grow up rather than ranting like a jaded preteen...or at least give a well-thought out response to why he has such a problem with everything Mana does. But I suppose that kind of maturity and intelligence is too much to ask.

 

[Monophobia]

...the songs still seem identical and display little-to-no songwriting skill

That being the worst thing he said, i think. But, to each his own, right? It hasn't changed my "want" to see the DVD. In fact, it's only made me more anxious for it to be shipped out.

I agree completely. :p

Anyway the sheer fact that Go doesn't like it will probably make me like it a hell of a lot...I seem to like a great deal of what he hates. ^^;

 

[Naja]

...the songs still seem identical and display little-to-no songwriting skill

That being the worst thing he said, i think. But, to each his own, right? It hasn't changed my "want" to see the DVD. In fact, it's only made me more anxious for it to be shipped out.

I agree completely. :p

Anyway the sheer fact that Go doesn't like it will probably make me like it a hell of a alot...I seem to like a great deal of what he hates. ^^;

He likes Family Guy it seems

 

[Elec]

I think a lot of people take him too seriously, but really... what I'm always impressed with is that, as far as i can remember, he has never insulted anyone for liking something; only ribbed the artists themselves mercilessly. At least he's not telling any of the musicians he doesn't like to go die or get hit by trucks or anything. :-/ Which I've seen.

Plus the way he "reviews" is just part of his persona, and it's meant to be taken with approximately 30 grains of salt.

 

[Priss]

After not being able to wait for the arrival, i downloaded the torrent.

First off, the quality of that file was shit and a half. That's what i get for doing such things.

My thoughts on it are, it was great. I really enjoyed it, more than Scars of Sabbath. It has a better replay value, too.

K. He has a great stage presence, and he's got a great attitude. His deathvoice, though limited, was great. He looks and is a badass.

Kazuno. Though not getting much camera time, which i'll explain my theory later, he was fun to watch. Especially during the later songs. He had great chemistry with K i seen.

Tohru. He seemed to have a good time, particulary noticing when Juka called out his name. Not really much to say about him, though.

Juka. I was impressed on how far he's come along. He seemed very excited, and it showed through his performance. Lots of energy, and charisma. His vocals are much stronger now, too.

Mana. What can I say? The way people made it seem, i thought he'd be eating up the crowds applauds like there was no tomorrow. He wasn't, though. Sure, he had more attention than the others, but not too much.

I'm only refering to the concert, because that's all i seen.

My favourite parts were Shadows Temple, Perish, and Monophobia.

Let me touch really quick about Kazuno and Tohru not being on camera often. Alot of people made it seem that they were shoved in the back, and not seen. They are. No one is covering them, so there. My theory on why they're not on camera too much is because it's a small venue. It was cramped on stage as it was, don't you think cameras on stage for them would make it worse? It wasn't AX, you know?


Not much in the way of a review, but i didn't have much in the way of quality to watch it and judge better. They're just my thoughts...etc..


I'm rambling..
Priss [P-Type]

 

[rizumu]

Indeed that file is ass. I downloaded it too because I'm impatient and was pissed off that I didn't have time before I left Japan to find a shop to buy the DVD at. I'll surely be ordering it now though. I must say, Go is on crack because I didn't find any of his comments even remotely relevant to the concert. I'm impressed with how far the band has come. I don't think it was as nice a venue as in Scars of Sabbath but the performance was definitely there. I'll refrain from more comments until I get a nice version...

Oh, and since I've been out of the loop for awhile, is there going to be an unmoved single or anything? I hope this hasn't been covered to death already or something.

 

[Geisha]

Upon reading the "review"--which, in my part of the world, I'd been taught to refer to as a flame; that is to say, a childish, immature, groudless bashing of something for no reason other than to anger people who might like it--I must say I'm not surprised.

Yes, it's what Go always writes about anything to do with Mana. It really doesn't matter what he releases, Go will shoot it down anyway. I don't particularly care since everybody is entitled to their opinion, but what saddens me is that many people seem to look up to Go as some kind of J-Rock guru whose opinion is gospel and are put off giving anything he "reviews" in this way even a try.

At least he's not telling any of the musicians he doesn't like to go die or get hit by trucks or anything. :-/ Which I've seen.

No, he leaves that to his acolytes and he doesn't tell them off for saying things like that either. I have seen it too and I must say I was shocked at the amount of hatred people display(ed) freely on his site. You'd think they were talking about war criminals but come on, they are merely musicians, so if you don't like their music, just don't listen to it.

Let me touch really quick about Kazuno and Tohru not being on camera often. My theory on why they're not on camera too much is because it's a small venue. It was cramped on stage as it was, don't you think cameras on stage for them would make it worse? It wasn't AX, you know?

I think you have a point. The conditions were indeed cramped and M:N were very restricted with regards to where they could put cameras. That's why you have these awkward camera angles throughout the live. IMO they would have been better off filming the Munich live but I guess they didn't know that in advance, having never played at either venue before.

Oh, and since I've been out of the loop for awhile, is there going to be an unmoved single or anything?

Nothing has been announced so far.

 

[Mukau]

Well, I woudn't get too upset about it. No matter what you do, there is always gonna be someone who dislikes what you are doing

 

[Eresjkigal]

i think go's review is childish, and i'll never understand why people waste time on an artist they don't like. i'm not going to "review" britney spears cds either

 

[Elec]

Well, in his defense (since his review on his own personal blog seems to have upset many of you), he made what I find to be a valid and respectable point a year or so ago. He said that since he likes metal (pretty obvious ), and I recall him liking, for example, Beast of Blood, he was hoping that Mana's outfit would continue that sort of sound into the new band. It's something that has all the elements of something he COULD like, but it doesn't do it for him and really disappoints, in his eyes.

I have comments on the concert, but I don't know how much of it y'all will care to hear, given what you thought of what one other guy already said. I will say that "Unmoved" totally reminds me, inexplicably, of Metallica in a few respects. Which is great because I like 'tallica.

 

[navate]

Well, in his defense (since his review on his own personal blog seems to have upset many of you), he made what I find to be a valid and respectable point a year or so ago. He said that since he likes metal (pretty obvious ), and I recall him liking, for example, Beast of Blood, he was hoping that Mana's outfit would continue that sort of sound into the new band. It's something that has all the elements of something he COULD like, but it doesn't do it for him and really disappoints, in his eyes.

...so he whines and goes to great lengths to (poorly) exemplify how much Mana sucks solely because Mana isn't doing exactly what he wants him to do? Yeah, that makes it so much more understandable, acceptable, and...no, wait, come to think of it I think that's even more childish.

It's funny how we had a huge thread a while ago about "omg, why does everyone hate Gackt??" and despite the silliness of the answers ("Sell-out! Traitor!") most agreed it was stupid to actually hate Gackt for going solo and devote time to bashing him, no matter what reasons they put behind it. And now we have this bitter guy very much hating Mana for equally silly/sillier reasons, and people go "Yeah, well, it's just his opinion; I'm okay with it." I can’t see you giving defense to overzealous haters who loathe and bash Gackt every chance they get for no "reason" other than he might have left Malice Mizer to become a pop star; forgive me if I raise an eyebrow when you offer defense to someone who loathes and bashes Mana every chance they get for no "reason" other than Mana decided not to cater to his every musical whim, someone who is so childish and bitter they just can't stand to be disappointed by a musician expected (for whatever asinine reason) to be his personal jukebox. I thought you valued intelligent discussion.

I never got the hype of BoB anyway. It's a great song, but the heavy/symphonic style they used in it was far outdone, imo, by Genso rakuen. And Genso rakuen has always struck me as the precursor to M10M's sound: a sort of bridge between Malice Mizer and Mana's solo vision.


In any case, I'd love to hear your take on the concert, Elec. <3 I value your reviews, whether I agree with them or not. You can dislike things and still present your arguments intelligently and respectfully. I'm curious to hear what you think.

 

[Elec]

Well, really though...as much as I like the guy, putting that aside, just like when I hyperbolize and deliberately try to get those that take things too seriously to ruffle their feathers a bit, I feel like that's what he's doing. It would be irresponsible for him to think he's going to change anyone's deeply-set opinion, and it's irresponsible of those "acolytes" (many of whom I DON'T like) to take the teasing too far.

Anyway, I don't see the bashing as childish the way he's presenting it. There's a lack of pretention, and his tastes are his own and no one elses. It doesn't stop y'all from enjoying this concert. After all, I could rain hate on solo Klaha for many, many reasons, but I'm not gonna right now. Does it make me childish because he doesn't cater to my desires out of music? Why do we dislike the things we dislike? Because they don't fit into what we'd like to hear, right? For the most part. I don't have to take all artists all or nothing; just one or two.

So yeah; nevermind Go; those who don't like him should ignore him, just like you'd ignore anyone else who doesn't understand what you like.

I'll let this blow over and then I'll talk about it. :-P

And thanks for the compliment; I'll never understand how you can disagree with me on things and still respect me! Because I sure as hell wouldn't! LOOK at me!

 

[Dix Princesse]

A person can still respect another who you disagree with. Two people might have totally different tastes in music but still like each other.

 

[navate]

Well, really though...as much as I like the guy, putting that aside, just like when I hyperbolize and deliberately try to get those that take things too seriously to ruffle their feathers a bit, I feel like that's what he's doing. It would be irresponsible for him to think he's going to change anyone's deeply-set opinion, and it's irresponsible of those "acolytes" (many of whom I DON'T like) to take the teasing too far.

I have no problem with the fact he bashes what I like--my preferences for things are so out of the loop I tend to expect people to disagree with me. It's more his presentation, as I've said (I love a good bashing if it's done intelligently, even if it is of something I enjoy, simply for the brain-joy of a well-executed argument). That, and I can't understand someone who dedicates so much of their time writing poorly written, unintelligent bashings. So it's not so much his opinions as...him. I pity such people who waste their time doing shit like that, putting forth poorly done rants just to piss people off. Grow up, you know?

Does it make me childish because [Klaha] doesn't cater to my desires out of music?

Of course not; however, if you dedicated webspace to (badly) ripping apart every single of his releases, yes, I'd think you were pretty fucking childish. Only those with the tolerance level of a bitter, self-righteous preteen can't bring themselves to shrug and move on when they find something they don't like. I love a good mock/rant, but honestly. Enough is enough: get the hell over it, or do it right.

But you're right; enough of that. He probably gets off on people expressing their dislike for him; I've said my piece and shan't give him the pleasure of any more attention.

And thanks for the compliment; I'll never understand how you can disagree with me on things and still respect me! Because I sure as hell wouldn't! LOOK at me!

What can I say? Well-thought reviews and wit are a rarity on the internet. Such makes me happy. ;}

 

[Illaparatzo-sama]

Does it make me childish because [Klaha] doesn't cater to my desires out of music?

Of course not; however, if you dedicated webspace to (badly) ripping apart every single of his releases, yes, I'd think you were pretty fucking childish. Only those with the tolerance level of a bitter, self-righteous preteen can't bring themselves to shrug and move on when they find something they don't like. I love a good mock/rant, but honestly. Enough is enough: get the hell over it, or do it right.

Hahah. Hear that, go? cough dir en grey cough.

 

[LejuN]

Meh, I didn't think it was that bad. Though, I guess I am used to his style of bashing over the years... I mean, he rips things hard sometimes and sometimes it is about stuff I like that he happens to be talking about, but big deal? Sometimes he is pretty funny about it and sometimes I am like ooookkk, regardless though, I 'value' his opinion even though I don't agree with it 90% of the time. It is good to have perspective.

In the end, when I start thinking hmmm, is he right? Does he have a point??? All I have to do is remember he likes 80's hair metal and I feel all better again

Hi Go o-o/

+LejuN+

 

[Formless]

Does it make me childish because [Klaha] doesn't cater to my desires out of music?

Of course not; however, if you dedicated webspace to (badly) ripping apart every single of his releases, yes, I'd think you were pretty fucking childish. Only those with the tolerance level of a bitter, self-righteous preteen can't bring themselves to shrug and move on when they find something they don't like. I love a good mock/rant, but honestly. Enough is enough: get the hell over it, or do it right.

Hahah. Hear that, go? cough dir en grey cough.

But Go LIKES Dir en grey.