M10M announcement: Kazuno and Tohru leave

[CookieMoses]

Most solo projects don't promote their bandmates as much as Mana seems to have, plus, um, at least Kazuno was an original member, so people raising some hubbub about it isn't all that strange?

Solo projects SHOULD promote project members, I think.

Yes, Kazuno was an "original member," but he was really just a bassist for hire. The focus is not on Kazuno, Tohru, K, or Juka; it's on Mana.

However, I don't see a problem in people talking about it, but the whiney "oh no, people are leaving T_T;" posts just get on my nerves.

 

[Elec]

Dude, Gackt doesn't promote his band in band form like Mana does. They're technically musicians for hire, are they not? And yeah, I was pissy and moany when Ren left.
GacktJOB still retains a couple of key original players since 1999. In 3 years' time, Mana's been a revolving door. Don't knock these people's concerns.

 

[CookieMoses]

Dude, Gackt doesn't promote his band in band form like Mana does. They're technically musicians for hire, are they not? And yeah, I was pissy and moany when Ren left.
GacktJOB still retains a couple of key original players since 1999. In 3 years' time, Mana's been a revolving door. Don't knock these people's concerns.

I'm not trying to knock anyone's concerns. I just don't see the big deal.

And, I personally don't like the way Gackt promotes his band.

Also, I wouldn't say Mana's been a revolving door. How is it his fault that people decide to leave? :?

 

[Dix Infernal]

I'm not trying to knock anyone's concerns. I just don't see the big deal.

Well, you may not think so, but some people do (and yes, that was just an excuse to use big font).

And, I personally don't like the way Gackt promotes his band.

And many people don't like the way Mana promotes his solo project.

Also, I wouldn't say Mana's been a revolving door. How is it his fault that people decide to leave? :?

If he's being an overly demanding employer with control issues, it just might be. And you have to admit that Mana has had a tendency throughout his career to go through project/band members like used toilet paper. There has to be something going on there. Well, at least in my opinion there is.

But that's a whole other topic in itself.

 

[DDRSENSEI]

Yeah, like.. why would a band ever play the music they write?




well have a combination of the two

 

[CookieMoses]

Well, you may not think so, but some people do (and yes, that was just an excuse to use big font).

Some people are stupid. Solo projects SHOULD be about the solo artist, but anyone involved in the creation, or in this case, the presentation of the project should be given due credit. It's unfair to have people go ignored.

And many people don't like the way Mana promotes his solo project.

Again, many people are stupid. Mana's doing a damn fine job for an INDEPENDENT artist.

If he's being an overly demanding employer with control issues, it just might be. And you have to admit that Mana has had a tendency throughout his career to go through project/band members like used toilet paper. There has to be something going on there. Well, at least in my opinion there is.

Mana wasn't doing EVERYTHING in Malice Mizer; the band went through vocalists rather quickly, but Yu~ki and Közi seemed to enjoy working with him. And, all of the ex-vocalists supposedly left on good notes. But, as for Moi dix Mois, it's a SOLO PROJECT. Musicians for hire should be expected to get tired of playing someone else's music and leave. What DO you expect?

And, why would you make such unkind assumptions about an artist you like?

Regardless, I don't want to argue with you. Anything else thrown at me will be ignored; this thread was not created for people to piss and moan about stupid CRAP.

With that, I'm out.

 

[flowersofnight]

You're walking the line as far as our Rule #1 of "respect other members" goes. Cool it.

 

[Elec]

I don't like how we're suddenly replying to this thread per your rules... nor do I see the comparison discussion between GacktJOB and the rest of m10m finished. Your grand argument was that you don't like how gacktjob is promoted, which... really has very little to do with the discussion at hand.

 

[Monophobia]

Cookie you really need to stop thinking your opinion is the only one. Opinions always differ and you seem to think you know that but then you go off saying the ones who don't agree with you are "stupid"?

I don't think it's right to make assumptions of any kind about Mana or Moi dix Mois. Truth be told, we don't know him in person, so how can we judge. Maybe I believe more that the members left on their own accord, but that doesn't mean Mana's perfectionism didn't made them scatter. We can't confirm either so it's all up in the air.

I definately don't see the big deal in people missing Tohru and Kazuno though. They were still members of Mana's solo project. Obviously they would have their fans. I was a fan of Kazuno myself, while I'm disappointed to see him leave, I'm still excited to see a fresh Moi dix Mois. But that doesn't mean it's right to bash everybody that thinks differently.

 

[CookieMoses]

You're walking the line as far as our Rule #1 of "respect other members" goes. Cool it.

Forgive me; I honestly meant no disrespect.

 

[Dix Infernal]

I'm stupid? Okay, I can take that. I've been called worse.

A word of friendly advice- when you're going to rip someone's post apart, be sure to actually interpret the post properly and not just assume things about the person's opinion... It shows ignorance if you do. Next time you rip me, I expect more facts thrown in my face. It's no fun otherwise.

Also, respect other people's opinons- God knows I respect yours.

And, also.... make sure that the person was actually arguing with you before you post. Otherwise, it's rather superflous to type it all when no one was arguing in the first place.

But in any event, thank you- you brightened up my evening and made me smile.

Just... quit with the assumptions, m'kay?

 

[Hoshi]

What a bunch of bullshit.

 

[Wandering_Fox]

I hope it will be easy to spot the new bands... I had no idea about Mana's new project until I found the live MP3s online, I hope Mana mentions it or they promote themselves someway... Either way, I'm sure someone on this forum will spot them somewhere, like FlowersofNight and the Heath thing ^______^ (How did you find out about that, btw?)

 

[UAShenlong]

oh no... am I sensing a lock?

 

[UAShenlong]

SO!

Any updates on this situation?

 

[Geisha]

If he's being an overly demanding employer with control issues, it just might be. And you have to admit that Mana has had a tendency throughout his career to go through project/band members like used toilet paper. There has to be something going on there. Well, at least in my opinion there is.

Line-up changes aren't exactly rare in the J-Rock world, even with proper bands. Just off the top of my head, Vidoll and BLOOD had several line-up changes, Syndrome had 2 different singers, Cali-Gari I think had (amongst others) 4 different singers, the line-up of Velvet Eden changed completely 3 times, Dada being the only member that stayed from beginning to end, and for something like 2 years Lareine had only 1 member (Kamijo). Yet nobody accuses these people of being overly demanding and/or having control issues.

And many people don't like the way Mana promotes his solo project.

I'm not sure what you are referring to but IMO the only thing you could accuse Mana of is that he is promoting his musicians more than you would normally find in a solo project (which may be why people become more attached to them than to Gackt Job or Miyavi's musicians). While that doesn't change the fact that M10M is a solo project, doesn't it make him seem less egocentric though?

I suspect opinions would be rather different if Mana was a smiling, extrovert boy-next-door type, who can be seen to crack jokes and fool around on TV or in backstage footage, instead of being a mute and seemingly emotionless excentric dressed from head to toe in black, but I think people should be careful about letting themselves be influenced by that. He may model himself on some sort of dark vampire prince but that says very little about his personality. Sometimes the people who seem the most easygoing in public are the rudest and most unpleasant in private and vice versa, especially in show biz where so much hinges on public image.

Anyway, I'm getting tired of us having this discussion over and over again. We will never come to a satisfying conclusion because, as Monophobia pointed out, we don't know Mana personally and never will.

 

[Formless]

Anyway, I'm getting tired of us having this discussion over and over again. We will never come to a satisfying conclusion because, as Monophobia pointed out, we don't know Mana personally and never will.

I think between the both of us.. we must have said this at least ten times by now.. yet it still always manages to pop up.

 

[Hoshi]

Anyway, I'm getting tired of us having this discussion over and over again. We will never come to a satisfying conclusion because, as Monophobia pointed out, we don't know Mana personally and never will.

I think between the both of us.. we must have said this at least ten times by now.. yet it still always manages to pop up.

Hence my previous post in this thread.......... No one listens, or I suppose in this case reads. It's becoming a really vicious and EXTREMELY tedious cycle.

 

[flowersofnight]

Yeah, I think this is starting to go around in circles.

Conclusion:
1. Kazuno and Tohru have left M10M
2. They will play a gig with X-Japan's Heath in a few days
3. People love bickering

If anyone has news about the gig with Heath when it happens, they can start a new thread.