Moi dix Mois at Germany in June

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Lau-Chan wrote:
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Actually, there is a live report on the internet, funnily enough, written by Geisha herself. ^_^; Which is very detailed, and she also includes a couple of pictures of the band, too.

And.. where can we read that?

It's at Geisha's Live Journal. I've just checked back, and the post is actually friends-locked, I wasn't aware that it was, so I obviously won't post the link here. I didn't realise it was friends-locked when I read it, so I'm sorry that I mentioned it.

So we can not read it! ^__^
Why you don't put it in a place in which all of us can read as here? We asked for it many times, but no one put nothing. No problem, of course, but don't complain yourself because everyone wants the pictures.
 

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EternallyDix wrote:
So we can not read it! ^__^
Why you don't put it in a place in which all of us can read as here? We asked for it many times, but no one put nothing. No problem, of course, but don't complain yourself because everyone wants the pictures.

She already said there were different reasons she wouldn't post it here.
 

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I can't post it here, like I said ne, it's Geisha's report, and she already said herself she didn't post it here for a variety of reasons. ^_^ Like you said, completley her own choice. <3

Again, and Geisha herself backed this up already, she wasn't complaining over people wanting pictures so much, she was just confused and surprised at the amount of people who seemed to be concerned with *just* pictures. ^_^; I'm sure she, and I, are not denying that there were people who asked for reports, just pointing out that to a lot of people, pictures seemed to be the most important thing about Moi Dix Mois' appearance at the festival, when really everyone's main concern should have been the band's success, right? ^_^ Again, not saying that nobody cared how well the band did, just that there was a *lot* of clamouring for pictures and videos, in comparison to the relativley small request for reports about how the band played, and that I think Geisha, and me too, found this a little odd.

Again, I think this is getting a bit off-topic though, isn't it? :|
 

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Again, and Geisha herself backed this up already, she wasn't complaining over people wanting pictures so much, she was just confused and surprised at the amount of people who seemed to be concerned with *just* pictures. ^_^; I'm sure she, and I, are not denying that there were people who asked for reports, just pointing out that to a lot of people, pictures seemed to be the most important thing about Moi Dix Mois' appearance at the festival, when really everyone's main concern should have been the band's success, right? ^_^ Again, not saying that nobody cared how well the band did, just that there was a *lot* of clamouring for pictures and videos, in comparison to the relativley small request for reports about how the band played, and that I think Geisha, and me too, found this a little odd.

That was exactly my interpretation from what she said. I don't think people should'd get offended, but it was part-true. Almost everybody was concerned about pics/videos/audio, instead of the presentation band itself. That was my view of it.

About K thread, I don't think personal opinions should be contested at all. I'm a huge fan of him, really, but as I still didn't see him "in action" my arguments are limited, but that doesn't mean I have to accept every shout, even if it's positive or wheter negative.

Anyway.. My comments fits for my own ideas.

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Again, I think this is getting a bit off-topic though, isn't it? :|

agreed.
 

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just wanted to say a last thing...



I'm sure she, and I, are not denying that there were people who asked for reports, just pointing out that to a lot of people, pictures seemed to be the most important thing about Moi Dix Mois' appearance at the festival, when really everyone's main concern should have been the band's success, right? ^_^

but what you don't get is that when a first personne asks for review the other wait for review and will not post ans says "yes a review please!" that would be really stupid on my opinion....

and for my part I'm french and I often hesited to post beacause I'm worring about making errors and being misunderstood

and after all video can show us how was the band on stage and I thinks photos are juste beacause we aren't allowed to take some in normal concert so because we didn't have lots of live photos we profit of this festival to have some..
 

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yun wrote:
just wanted to say a last thing...



I'm sure she, and I, are not denying that there were people who asked for reports, just pointing out that to a lot of people, pictures seemed to be the most important thing about Moi Dix Mois' appearance at the festival, when really everyone's main concern should have been the band's success, right? ^_^

but what you don't get is that when a first personne asks for review the other wait for review and will not post ans says "yes a review please!" that would be really stupid on my opinion....

and for my part I'm french and I often hesited to post beacause I'm worring about making errors and being misunderstood

and after all video can show us how was the band on stage and I thinks photos are juste beacause we aren't allowed to take some in normal concert so because we didn't have lots of live photos we profit of this festival to have some..

It's a fair request. :)
 

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Takeru, I didn't direct that comment at you ne? I just said it was a little bit personal to say something like that, but you didn't actually say it..? So~ ^^; And again, everybody is entitled to their opinion! ^_^
Don't worry, I know, in fact my answer was in general ^_^
 

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but what you don't get is that when a first personne asks for review the other wait for review and will not post ans says "yes a review please!" that would be really stupid on my opinion....

No, but it seems everybody said "Yes photos please!" after the first asked about photographs, ne? ^^;

Again, I think the point is maybe being a bit missed. Geisha didn't say we shouldn't look forward to photographs, we know it's exciting to be able to see some because Moi Dix Mois don't allow photographs to be taken when they play live (Something i'm sure we all respect ^^), what she said was there seemed to be more obsessing over photographs of the band than discussion over how the band did, how they enjoyed it, whether they played well, etc. I agree that this can be seen through videos of the band playing, yes, but I think her point was many people's requests for pictures and videos did come across as a little bit, well....selfish, I suppose. It wasn't so much people saying "I want to see videos so I can see how well the band played and that they enjoyed themselves okay~!" It more seemed to be "I want to see photographs because there are no pictures of Moi Dix Mois playing live and all I care about it seeing these pictures!"

Again, just an opinion! ^^;; Maybe everybody just misunderstood everyone else.
 

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the band than discussion over how the band did, how they enjoyed it, whether they played well, etc
but we can't argue about something since most of us weren't at the live... I mean only few people were at the concert here and since they said "Moi dix Mois dis well and people enjoy" but nothing else... well we can't say lots of things ^^"

Maybe everybody just misunderstood everyone else.
surely ^^ that's why I don't blame anyone, just that it sounded like a bad view of all of us..
 

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Wow... you don't check for a couple of day and lookies what happened here.

Honestly, though... I, too, find it annoying how so many people are mainly out for pictures. I don't necessarily mean to say that the people who asked/commented/discussed pictures here are all like that, but it IS kind of shocking how so many people just want 'slobber-footage' (and maybe a bit shocking that this happens even here on scape). This is a band's live, not a model show. Sure it's visual kei, but there are by far more aspects to it than looks. And their recognition at such a festival was important for Moi dix Mois as well... I'd feel like I am betraying anyone I care for if I don't consider what is important to them. Only asking for pics and not their success, does indeed seem like a mixture of selfishness and jealousy.

As for discussing whether bandmembers are boring or not. True, that's just opinions, but while I only skimmed these two million posts it made me go "HELLO?! Did anyone maybe care to think about the fact that K and Mana are both really awesome guitarists? They are in a band, not a theatre company."

Sure, they are visual, but
a) we all have bad moments (including bad picture moments)
b) during a live they kind of have (difficult!) parts to play and besides that they're all STILL acting things out for the audience. Like Geisha said (I think), they are taltented musicians.

Have you ever stood on a stage with an instrument playing a live? The kind of stuff Mana and K play, yes? Or with a five string bass like Kazuno or Sugiya? Two bass drums? Have you ever tried to coordinate all these difficult parts? Add to that the emotional moment of actually performing in front of an unknown/foreign audience. Professional or not, see how much variety YOU get into it when still playing some sort of role, and may it just be 'elegance' or 'evilness'. Have you seen other bands? How much do they act things out, make movements, etc. compared to Moi dix Mois?! Lives are work, even if it is fun for everyone involved.

And if K finds his role is best expressed through the stances and looks he is giving - which I find all very enjoyable, because they AREN'T all the same, at least not to me, so let him do that. I am sure he might put a lot more weight in the sound of his guitar than in the variety of his facial expressions. I like subtle differences and I generally like the way K acts, though. And Mana has found HIS movements which I have YET to see on anyone else (big plus for doing his own thing and being consistent with it, if you ask me). Certainly, nobody has to share the opinion, nor am I attacking anyone's - you can find them boring or ugly if you like. ---- But maybe, when complaining, at least try to consider the points mentioned above - they are so much more than that. I don't doubt you know they are, but I just find this really isn't considered much in these posts at all. It's really not so awesome when the fanbase is not really being much nicer than all the people who don't even really care about Moi dix Mois, but just have a dislike for Mana (and therefore his band). And there are enough of those.


The inconsiderate behavior displayed here is a bit annoying. But at least, as far as I heard, the WGT seemed to show that Moi dix Mois is capable of convincing people through their music and stage appearance alike, which I am sure is what they were hoping for, and don't need to be stuck into the position of models or actors to be successful.

Lastly, I find everyone can share their work and reports as much as they're comfortable. If someone is not comfortable about making their stuff public, then that should be respected. Much like respecting that we're talking about musicians here, not models.


Sorry if anyone feels falsely adressed by this or thinks I am rude. I'd rather say it a bit harshly than worming my way politely around things in ways nobody will really comprehend in the end.


Lastly, I am rather shocked at people stating amusement about Mana falling (not about flipping people off, but about him falling). What kind of people are on here? Does it occur to you that he could seriously have gotten hurt in those shoes?

Kagerou's Daisuke stage dived and got a small crack in his rip. Would you also have laughed seeing him stage dive in an unfortunate position - and still have felt okay about that after reading that he was taken to hospital afterwards (after performing an entire concert with a cracked rip) - that came out DAYS later, who says it could not have been the same for Mana?
 

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I think that all's been asked here is if anyone had access to pictures of a live that 100% allowed pictures.

Yes, concerning past performances, people have taken other pictures of other lives that didn't allow them and they've been asked for in the past or someone's posted such things without anyone clamouring for it, but that's no reason to bring past issues into a thread that doesn't have that conflict. The pictures were legal to take, so if someone wants to post them and/or ask for them, then why not?

And if there's such a big issue about looks vs. music, then why doesn't someone just post a damn review already instead of arguing about it and/or refusing to post it?? All they've got is pictures thus far so that's all they have to talk about since no one wants to put up a review, so lay off everybody. They can't talk about the performance if they have nothing to go by. :|
 

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Yes, the pics were legal.

And the point is that not many people were/are even bugging about reports - most people were screaming for pics or even for 'more pics' rather then showing even interest in reports or how Moi dix Mois was received. THAT was the point that is being made above.
 

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Mistoline wrote:
Yes, the pics were legal.

And the point is that not many people were/are even bugging about reports - most people were screaming for pics or even for 'more pics' rather then showing even interest in reports. THAT was the point that is being made above.

Okay. Thanks for clarifying. :) Then perhaps someone should post a report to help deter the need for pictures and to help express what's truly important, which is the music.

So! Let's start the report posting now..........GO! :D
 

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I still don't get any of the logic in this. :|

I, myself, don't really care about live reports as much. I mean, I wasn't there. So what does it matter? It's nice to see the band! Sure, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but nobody's entitled to being rude.

And, there were people asking for live reports, I haven't seen one yet. But I've seen plenty of pictures, and that's good enough. Besides, who's hurting anyone by being 'shallow'? I think this is one of those 'don't like it, leave it alone' things. 'Cause everything was going fine and nobody was arguing until suddenly all this BLARRRGH PICTURE REQUEST H8 stuff came along. Videos and pictures are more interesting than just reading about someone's observations of what happened. o_o Just like hearing the music is better than reading a review.

And about the 'looks don't have anything to do with the musician's ability to play' thing.. looks is all we have right now. Can we hear the concert because we read some review? No. :| All we can do until some footage is released (!!), is just see tiny previews through pictures.
 

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Miz, I totally agree with you.
And yes, i like see pictures and videos, and I don't like that other people who like more read reviews insult me for this reason.
Ok the people hava a personal opinion, some people like red review, anothers like see pictures, but the people like read revies is more mature?, i say no.
 

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dix-he-kun wrote:
Miz, I totally agree with you.
And yes, i like see pictures and videos, and I don't like that other people who like more read reviews insult me for this reason.
Ok the people hava a personal opinion, some people like red review, anothers like see pictures, but the people like read revies is more mature?, i say no.

I don't think I particularly insulted anybody, and I don't think Geisha, Mistoline, Bruke or Dix Princesse did either.... :/

I also don't remember anybody claiming to be more "mature" because they read reviews or reports. I think what Geisha originally said was immature was *being more concerned with pictures of the band than exactly how the band did at the festival, and whether they enjoyed the show and were well received by fans* and I personally agree with that. I don't think just because you don't read reviews or reports, you're immature, and I don't think, well, I know, that Geisha doesn't think so, either.

Again, nobody is saying that wanting to see pictures is a BAD thing, nobody has said that. What people have said is that to preference pictures over the bands well-being and performance, and enjoyment of their performance, is somewhat selfish. I don't think there's anything wrong in saying that at all.
 

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dix-he-kun wrote:
some people like red review, anothers like see pictures, but the people like read revies is more mature?, i say no.

I don't think that's what anyone's saying; don't take liberties because that only causes more conflict.

Point is, people like the pictures for exactly the reason Miz stated, and people like the reviews for the reasons Mistoline and other stated. Isn't this supposed to co-exist? That's why there's one thread, not two for two separate intrests.

Unless someone has anything more to say or share regarding the actual Germany live, I think it's safe to say that this has gone officially off topic and into the realm of internet moral standards. So, without further ado, I say either start up a convo relating to the performance, or it should really be left to die. :|
 

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Your points would all be reasonable and valid if they were replying to what we actually talked about.

We collectively decided not to get involved any further because we can't think of any other way to explain our point to you than as clearly as we have - but we REALLY dislike words being put into our mouths that we NEVER said and can't let it stay that way.


Our points again one. last. time:
a) Not many people seemed to be interested in whether Moi dix Mois was successful, enjoyed themselves, how they came across, how they might have felt or experience the WGT, etc. Instead people were asking for pictures, pictures, pictures. That comes across as selfish ("I want to see them because I wasn't there!") and inconsiderate ("I don't care about Moi dix Mois' success as long as I get a share of seeing the performance."). Really, it comes across as if people don't give a damn about Moi dix Mois but just want to slobber over their appearance. Bashing members ONLY based on their appearance only confirmed that. Nobody seems to give a damn about their abilities or the tough job they have on stage. Liking pictures is fine, we enjoy them too. Showing you're not really giving a damn about Moi dix Mois otherwise, however, is shocking and annoying. Geisha pointed out how she felt about that and got attacked upon it and other things - we understood her perfectly well and tried to clarify this.

b) Laughing about Mana stumbling and reacting harshly, which would indicate that he could and might seriously have gotten hurt, is clearly not funny. The immature jokes are rather disgusting.

I really have NO clue whatsoever how this somehow turned into us supposedly saying that reading reviews is making anyone better or worse. Nobody of us ever said that and if you feel insulted by anything like that ... you need to read the threats properly and differentialte between the things that were said and those that take place in your heads. I will NOT have such words put into my mouth or into those of the other people who have understood that this performance had more interesting aspects to it than just countless crappy pictures and a handful of good ones.

*Note: Entry was written before the previous one by Kyuketski was even there.
 
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