Moi dix Mois new album "D+SECT"

[Martine]

That's not a great analogy because all babies are gross when they're born.

Mine were beautiful

 

[yun]

Thank you too, flowers, for remarking that all this noise and fury is about an album no one has heard yet. All of this is like commenting about how ugly the baby is before it is even born!

Isn't it always like that on Scape =o?

 

[MissUMana]

Thank you too, flowers, for remarking that all this noise and fury is about an album no one has heard yet. All of this is like commenting about how ugly the baby is before it is even born!

Isn't it always like that on Scape =o?

I'm afraid you're right, yun!


@Iskanderia : not ALL babies look like skinned rabbits at birth, you know. Some are real beauties!

 

[Berserk]

Yeah, I for one am not instilled with confidence over the cover art, but I don't see why we're already discussing the musical qualities when we've only heard the prototypes of like two songs out of ten (well, one of them is probably just a cover of Ange, but whatev. Ange is a rockin' song).

@Nocturne:
1. You did say "same harpsichord and violin melodies," I'll grant you that. I disagree and still don't see the difference between Moi dix Mois and Versailles in that respect, but that is my fault for not paying close enough attention.
2. You're cherry-picking your songs. I could say that BtG is "weak" because it's all like Deflower and Other Side of the Door while DIXANADU is all like Metaphysical and Lilac of Damnation, man! But I won't, because to be fair both albums have "powerful" and less "powerful" songs. And Xanadu and Deflower are both awesome, so "less powerful" isn't even bad, you know?

Ultimately, I still don't get your criticism about "power".
3. This is refining your point, and I respect that. If you dislike it because it takes less of an artistic risk, I understand. But does a (relatively, mind you XD) conservative artistic direction = worse music? I think that's a more sensible discussion for us to be having rather than bickering over vague things like "power".

And I'd like to point out that it gives the impression that you hate DIXANADU when you criticize it and say "if something is crap I'll call it crap," so the fact that you don't even hate it is news to me.

The symbolic example you gave is just another spiteful comment to try and appear witty and amusing.

Guilty as charged

 

[Nocturne]

Yeah, I for one am not instilled with confidence over the cover art, but I don't see why we're already discussing the musical qualities when we've only heard the prototypes of like two songs out of ten (well, one of them is probably just a cover of Ange, but whatev. Ange is a rockin' song).

@Nocturne:
1. You did say "same harpsichord and violin melodies," I'll grant you that. I disagree and still don't see the difference between Moi dix Mois and Versailles in that respect, but that is my fault for not paying close enough attention.
2. You're cherry-picking your songs. I could say that BtG is "weak" because it's all like Deflower and Other Side of the Door while DIXANADU is all like Metaphysical and Lilac of Damnation, man! But I won't, because to be fair both albums have "powerful" and less "powerful" songs. And Xanadu and Deflower are both awesome, so "less powerful" isn't even bad, you know?

Ultimately, I still don't get your criticism about "power".
3. This is refining your point, and I respect that. If you dislike it because it takes less of an artistic risk, I understand. But does a (relatively, mind you XD) conservative artistic direction = worse music? I think that's a more sensible discussion for us to be having rather than bickering over vague things like "power".

And I'd like to point out that it gives the impression that you hate DIXANADU when you criticize it and say "if something is crap I'll call it crap," so the fact that you don't even hate it is news to me.

Nocturne wrote:
The symbolic example you gave is just another spiteful comment to try and appear witty and amusing.

Guilty as charged Rolling Eyes

I agree Deflower is a good song. Xanadu I have mixed feelings on. I like it, but at the same time I feel like the chorus is missing something, which is how I feel about the majority of Dixanadu. In Beyond The Gate, I liked the direction they were going in. It wasnt all the same thing, granted the production values could have been a little better. But with Dixanadu, everything that was good about the band up to that point seemed to be abandoned and things felt repeated, with lack of vocal power. Seth was alot stronger on BtG than he was in Dixanadu.

Im not calling the music bad. Like I said, I love the music style, it just becomes stale when you try nothing new within the genre itself. If they would change up the melodies (and personally get a new singer. Seth when he was Seiji when he sang in the song Mizerable from HGP was awesome), then I think it would do Moi Dix Mois wonders. Judging from the clip of the newest song, they dont seem to be doing that, hence the disappointment.

Truthfully, I think the bassist and drummer are much better musically than before when they first started. I think they have the potential there to do much more, just that the writing is becoming stale.

When I said Ill say something is crap if I think it is, I meant I wasnt going to let ANY band blind myself from the quality of the song, no matter how much I may like them. For example, I think Neo Pessimiste is a terrible song. The original one is much better. Same with Last Temptation and Tentation. Hence why Im sad to see Ange get the treatment. That was one of my favorite songs from Dix Infernal, next to Solitude. And judging from the track record IMO, I dont forsee it going well.

 

[PureElegance]

For example, I think Neo Pessimiste is a terrible song. The original one is much better. Same with Last Temptation and Tentation. Hence why Im sad to see Ange get the treatment. That was one of my favorite songs from Dix Infernal, next to Solitude. And judging from the track record IMO, I dont forsee it going well.

Totally agree with you. I think Neo Pessimiste and Last Temptation are terrible, and I had no idea Ange was going to get a remake as well. I was just listening to it yesterday and I remembered how much I loved it, and now I'm hoping for the best

And Xanadu and Deflower are both awesome, so "less powerful" isn't even bad, you know?

I like the ending of Xanadu (from 3:30 to the end), but nothing in the first three minutes grabbed me.
Beyond the Gate has to be my least favorite album from Moi dix Mois. The only song I somewhat liked and would listen to again is Unmoved. It makes me headbang. I liked Deflower, but for some reason it makes me sad, so I don't even want to listen to it o_o

I listened to NO and and Dix Infernal again yesterday, and oh man I love each song

I'm listening to Dixanadu again, and I still like Angelica, Lilac of Damnation, and Lamentful Miss. Nocturne expressed my opinion on Last Temptation and Neo Pessimiste and I think Metaphysical and exclude are just okay, but not very memorable to me.

 

[voixdinferno]

Especially Neo Pessimiste which sounds like Seth is going to fall asleep through half of it.

You read mi mind!....

but...have you heard DOUBLE pessimiste? :3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9L8em5GEHk

Wwwwwwwuoooooooooooooooooooooooh!!!!
XDXDDDDDDD ...... I made this mix some time ago --> http://bit.ly/heZ5Ji (Album+Single mix)

 

[Camuflagem]

For example, I think Neo Pessimiste is a terrible song. The original one is much better. Same with Last Temptation and Tentation. Hence why Im sad to see Ange get the treatment. That was one of my favorite songs from Dix Infernal, next to Solitude. And judging from the track record IMO, I dont forsee it going well.

Totally agree with you. I think Neo Pessimiste and Last Temptation are terrible,

This. I don't like these remakes, and i feel that Mana should have composed new songs, instead of using these old songs.

and I had no idea Ange was going to get a remake as well. I was just listening to it yesterday and I remembered how much I loved it, and now I'm hoping for the best

Ange is getting remade?

 

[Geisha]

I don't agree, when I first listened to Beyond the Gate, I wasn't blown away. Now it's my favorite album and I love it to bits.

The first time I listened to Dixanadu, when I finished there were songs I couldn't remember anything about. I had to listen to it several times to really have a solid impression on each song...

maybe you have a better memory than I

I am a little like you. Each time I listen to Mana"s songs, I discover something new. I mean each time I listen to the same song

That's why I never tire of Mana's music: I keep discovering new bits in it all the time, so the more I listen to it the more I discover to like about it. If I get into something immediately then 99.9% of the time I will tire of it very quickly, but if something reveals itself to me slowly then I will probably enjoy it for many years to come.

I guess this is the problem most people have with MdM, it's hard to get excited for an album when you can already predict exactly what it's going to sound like.

And many others look forward to hearing a sound they love again. Nobody is saying that everybody has to like everything Mana does, but you can't base a qualitative judgement on personal taste. As I said before, taste isn't truth. Different people feel differently about the same piece of music.

 

[Amatsu]

It's Moi dix Mois, not Moi Dix Mois. Please get it right. It is bad situation for my feeling.

I think this needs to be posted again. It deserves it.

 

[surfingspider]

By Odin's Beard, not every band can be like Bon Jovi where every song is a hit single.

On Rihanna's Rated R album, which I unfortunately purchased (and listened to once) there was only 1 passable song. Trade that versus the extended gaga monster and most of the songs are good. Then there's lil'ozgurl Kylie Minogue's Aphrodite and 3 songs of 12? are easy repeats and another 3 are ok, and the rest are average.

Now I'm sure thar be fans (and anti-fans) of any of the above who will put out different numbers.

Personally I don't believe any album should have filler - songs should be as good as intended. That doesn't mean they're all going to blow your clothes off (unless its by Bon Jovi) and leave you feeling quite satisfied. That'd be great, but releases would be few and far between and many (here) like to complain about manasama's release schedule.

 

[PureElegance]

By Odin's Beard,

LOL.


@Camuflagem: Yeah, there's a remake of Ange. I just looked at the tracklist right now too, and it says, "Ange - D side holy wings -"

 

[Camuflagem]

Well, Mana is not a mainstream artist, his singles do not get insane spins at radio stations, so what actually warrants that people keep listening to him is that his albuns are cohesive, solid, and memorable enough. He can't afford to be lazy with non-single songs.

PureElegance, thank you.

 

[surfingspider]

yeah but your going on your definition of lazy, which is kinda my point, all D&D eye of the beholder. mana might not think he was being lazy. i'd be darned annoyed too if it was just a, 'meh, i'll release' that approach.

The 'remakes' can also fall into a different category, because they're remakes and not new hit singles. I can't remember if the cds were just remakes or combined with something new (but i think this was the case ?). A new and remake combo, the remake is the B side fur shure.

Anyways, i haven't really listened to the youtube stuff and will wait for the CD before passing any verdict.

p.s. Bon Jovi is currently touring down under, (and oprah too! So blessed are we), i might check ticketek...

 

[Mikal]

And many others look forward to hearing a sound they love again. Nobody is saying that everybody has to like everything Mana does, but you can't base a qualitative judgement on personal taste. As I said before, taste isn't truth. Different people feel differently about the same piece of music.

Yes, but there's a difference between a band having a familiar sound and making predictable music. Take death metal bands for example, the genre by it's very nature makes them sound very similar to each other, yet it's still possible within those limitations to make fresh and innovative music. There are certainly worse bands than MdM (i.e. GPKISM), I guess I just expect more out of Mana because of how unique Malice was...

 

[Iskanderia]

It's Moi dix Mois, not Moi Dix Mois. Please get it right. It is bad situation for my feeling.

I think this needs to be posted again. It deserves it.

Yeah, it was funny.

 

[Amatsu]

I think I lol'd so hard because I thought that poster was completely serious until I saw Kiwi.

 

[Garnet in the Eden]

it's a true story! kiwamu goes nuts every time someone types GPKism and not GPKISM. i wish mana would do the same when people type Moi Dix Mois.

 

[Mikal]

it's a true story! kiwamu goes nuts every time someone types GPKism and not GPKISM. i wish mana would do the same when people type Moi Dix Mois.

I'm still amazed at the fact that people actually like GPKISM, they're like the VK version of Limp Bizkit.

Their name is stupid, their music is awful and the members are total douchebags.

 

[voixdinferno]

"Their name is stupid, their music is awful and the members are total douchebags" --> lol

and he don't answer his Facebook --> http://www.facebook.com/kiwamu.kai