Moi dix Mois new album "D+SECT"

[Einherjer]

i don't even consider mdm VK.. just a goth band and we all know they are an anomaly, appealing to much more than vk fans but metalhedz and goth fans alike

even going as far back as as dix inferno when i still often listened to VK i never lumped them in the same category

 

[Garnet in the Eden]

many people are just bashing M10M's new stuff/new stuff in general because they think they can look clever music experts when they do so. Also by praising the old stuff they can show they are amazing fans and that "they were there" when that stuff was released years ago.
Which IMHO is actually an epic fail if you consider that it would impossible for Mana to make something worse than the embarassing (but so much praised) Dix infernal.

controversial

 

[Einherjer]

many people are just bashing M10M's new stuff/new stuff in general because they think they can look clever music experts when they do so. Also by praising the old stuff they can show they are amazing fans and that "they were there" when that stuff was released years ago.
Which IMHO is actually an epic fail if you consider that it would impossible for Mana to make something worse than the embarassing (but so much praised) Dix infernal.

controversial

lmao!! dix infernal is my fave mdm album

10/10 tonberry

 

[Garnet in the Eden]

many people are just bashing M10M's new stuff/new stuff in general because they think they can look clever music experts when they do so. Also by praising the old stuff they can show they are amazing fans and that "they were there" when that stuff was released years ago.
Which IMHO is actually an epic fail if you consider that it would impossible for Mana to make something worse than the embarassing (but so much praised) Dix infernal.

controversial

lmao!! dix infernal is my fave mdm album

10/10 tonberry

 

[Camuflagem]

Wow, way to make the thread go in the wrong direction.

First, It's not just DI that's being prized, don't forget Nocturnal Opera.

Second, No one is trying to sound amazing or say how long they've been a fan. We are just discussing music or you'd rather discuss mana's dresses and lipstick?

 

[Amatsu]

How dare you call into question the greatness of Dix Infernal! I'm outraged. In fact, I will not stand for dix.

 

[Garnet in the Eden]

How dare you call into question the greatness of Dix Infernal! I'm outraged. In fact, I will not stand for dix.

mhmmm

 

[Demanufacturer]

I think i've heard Mana make all the new music already before.
On the older albums.
That's why i prefer the old, original stuff. It's more experimental, more daring.
Now he's settled with the sound he found and thus all new tracks more or less sound the same (imho)

Not everyone who says the old stuff is better is trying to be smart. It's all a matter of opinions as well, so there's not much room to discuss these things.


Anyway i heard some of the samples, including the new one on their YT account and i'm not impressed.
Loads of silly details that try to draw some attention away from the otherwise kind of bland music.
Then there's that part which is copied from Hizaki's "Cradle" (with Juka lol).

This is not my final verdict ofcourse, i'll wait patiently for the full album, but so far i'm just not really impressed... yet.

 

[Nocturne]

Deluhi isnt taking a break, but said that it's just temporary to work on better music and what direction to take the band in.

So saying Nocturnal Opera is a better album than what Moi Dix Mois has been putting out means Im trying to look like Im a great fan of their old stuff?

Truthfully, I do find it superior. It was their first cd that they differentiated alot. Alot of the songs sound different to each other and they did some softer songs as well which changed up the pattern of everything having blast beats and heavy riffs. It emphasized classical instruments more and had backing female vocals which I believe is what Moi Dix Mois needs more of.

 

[Garnet in the Eden]

Alot of the songs sound different to each other and they did some softer songs as well which changed up the pattern of everything having blast beats and heavy riffs.

And this isn't the case with Dixanadu? As I go through the songs I don't find any that are that similar to each other at all. It has softer songs to : Xanadu, Last Temptation, Sacred Lake (albeit instrumental). Three softer songs is about the same in comparison to Nocturnal Opera (Vestige and Mephisto Waltz are the only ones I would consider "soft").

Brass, harpsichord and organ (just listen to Dispell Bound, Last Temptation and Xanadu dammit) are also emphasised. I find the drumming to be much more inventive in Dixanadu than before, probably because of Hayato joining the band. I can't think of any stand-out moments in terms of drumming on any tracks from NO or DI, but on Dixanadu we have, again, Xanadu. And just listen to the electronic elements in Exclude or Neo Pessimist. Moi dix Mois never had synths in their music as prominent before, aside from moments in Beyond the Gate.

Anyway, I'm actually really glad that things happened and Mana had to do Beyond the Gate without a band, because I think that was the moment that stopped Moi dix Mois' sound from stagnating (we'd probably end up with something like another Nocturnal Opera and we'd have people complaining about the same things they are now anyway).

and that is the fact of the matter.

It emphasized classical instruments more and had backing female vocals which I believe is what Moi Dix Mois needs more of.

... which would definitely be Moi dix Mois repeating something, because for Nocturnal Opera they had a female vocalist in singing too. It sounds like you just want them to make Nocturnal Opera 2.0.

 

[eMiNaTiC]

It sounds like you just want them to make Nocturnal Opera 2.0.

i wouldn't mind that

 

[Geisha]

It's not an example of variety per se, it's an example of an album with strong solid songs, with great melodies.

The same applies to their other albums as well IMO. Except that they have more different types of songs, like Garnet pointed out. It's fine if some people prefer the older stuff, tastes are different after all. But like Tiny said, taste isn't "truth", so if some people don't like the new stuff as much it doesn't mean that there's something fundamentally wrong with it. Other people prefer the new stuff over the old and others again don't have a preference and enjoy every album.

It's normal that the tastes of people change, especially during the adolescence and the twenty.

I think that's very true. Also, I was never "into VK" per se; in fact I hate the majority of VK, Jrock and Jpop, especially the stuff that's popular ATM. I'm into goth, new wave, electro and offbeat pop and it just so happens that some VK bands, by accident or by design, incorporate that kind of sound. If they do then chances are that I like them, if not then I probably couldn't care less.

 

[La dix Croix]

i totally agree with Garnet

 

[Yuki-sama]

The reason that I prefer MdM's old music is that to me, it sounds like Mana is just repeating his sound, and new songs are starting to sound like watered-down old songs. The spark that was present in the first two albums (as well as MM's music) is now gone.

Anyway, can someone save me the trouble of reading through this entire thread and just tell me if the album has leaked?

 

[Camuflagem]

[...] it sounds like Mana is just repeating his sound, and new songs are starting to sound like watered-down old songs.

Agreed, the songs sound bland. And no, it didn't leak. M10M releases never leak.

Geisha, i never said my opinion is the truth, It's my truth, my opinion, you are free to disagree. I was just pointing out that people should be honest, and say what they truly think, their truth, and not be afraid to write whatever just because it will hurt Mana, as if he reads this forum.

 

[Yuki-sama]

Agreed, the songs sound bland. And no, it didn't leak. M10M releases never leak.

Honestly, I only listened to DIXANADU once. But that was my issue with Lamentful Miss, it just sounded recycled and redundant. Beyond the Gate and some cool songs, but overall, meh.
Dialogue Symphony has always been and always will be my favourite ♥

 

[PureElegance]

Dialogue Symphony has always been and always will be my favourite ♥

Same here! I still think it's their best song and it's one of the few ones I still listen to.

I've never been a big fan of Seth and his songs aren't among my favorites. I think it's his voice...

 

[adonis]

Geisha, i never said my opinion is the truth, It's my truth, my opinion, you are free to disagree. I was just pointing out that people should be honest, and say what they truly think, their truth, and not be afraid to write whatever just because it will hurt Mana, as if he reads this forum.

Well actually you don't have to point this out...since the majority of Scapers openly admit they dislike the current MdM sound

 

[Nocturne]

Brass, harpsichord and organ (just listen to Dispell Bound, Last Temptation and Xanadu dammit) are also emphasised. I find the drumming to be much more inventive in Dixanadu than before, probably because of Hayato joining the band. I can't think of any stand-out moments in terms of drumming on any tracks from NO or DI, but on Dixanadu we have, again, Xanadu. And just listen to the electronic elements in Exclude or Neo Pessimist. Moi dix Mois never had synths in their music as prominent before, aside from moments in Beyond the Gate.

The thing is, two of the songs you mentioned arent even new songs. They are remakes of older songs. Worse remakes as well (although IMO). Regardless, they are remakes.

I also consider Pageant to be apart of the Nocturnal Opera sound since it definitely fits that cd the most. Plus with songs like The Prophet which were just epic as hell. Nothing like that song has given me an epic feeling like it has since that cd.

Dixanadu was as bland as you could possibly get. I do agree that the bass work and drumming got much better as Moi Dix Mois went on, but that doesnt help when the music sounds very similar overall. It refines it, but refining isnt what Moi Dix Mois needs now.

At this point, I would rather have them put out Nocturnal Opera 2.0, without Seth and some new singer that has more life to him. Ive heard Seth sing in one of Hizaki's songs and he sounded MUCH better then. Like I said, Im waiting for the new cd to come out, but if its like Dixanadu Im going to be disappointed as I feel it was the weakest cd they have released.

 

[Garnet in the Eden]

well i can't take someone's opinion of an album seriously if you gave it one listen.

i know with one listen of an album i struggle to recall any melodies and i'm left with only either the fact that i liked it or the fact that i didn't. anything else would be unfair to say. and also, when the album was released, i've seen people who were singing its praises and then, like a lot of people, suddenly not. i tend to think that some people just go along with the consensus that it's bad even if they really like it.

anyway, the fact that they're remakes is irrelevant. compare them to each other : completely different. compare them to their originals : completely different. sure, if you simply do not like them, that's fair enough. but i don't get why you're pointing out they're older songs.

i just... can't follow this "it sounds similar" idea. what, because it has cheap synths, guitar, bass, a japanese singer? they've been doing that since they began. there was no point where this was suddenly not the case. in my opinion, i think people just stopped liking Moi dix Mois as much and began writing off their stuff while keeping the idea that their old stuff is good. just my opinion.