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Decadent_Irises wrote:
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I might read the fountainhead. My cousin and my friend both told me that it's really good.
UGHHH. We have to read that later this year, and I don't want to since it looks like a brick ::meev:: I wonder if any of my classmates will attempt to finish the whole thing. XD
hmm, my friend jaime just told me to read the fountainhead. it's like 700 pages long though right? she was like "omg it's amazing, it's lifechanging etc etc"
should i read it? or should i stick to reading 8th grade level fantasy novels for fun?
Well I have to read it eventually XD I'd rather not.
lol 'life changing'...

Atlas Shrugged is 1069 pages long, so I guess The Fountainhead is better ::meev::
 

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I re-read Atlas Shrugged this year, actually. ::meev::

Never read The Fountainhead, but from the notes in Atlas Shrugged it's like the same idea with more focus on the individual...so I may pick it up sometime.

The thing about Ayn Rand is while her books are pretty cool, she could GO ON FOREVER ABOUT ONE THING. (I'm looking at you, John Galt.) Her shorter stuff is definitely much much easier to swallow because she doesn't tattoo the point into your mind and eyes. A lot of the time if you think you understand something you can skip and skim the next couple pages until she starts on something else.

Currently reading: The Autumn of the Patriarch by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
 

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^ LOL, wrong thread XD


@Dreams: Was Atlus Shrugged good? XD I opened to a random page and it looked interesting.
Yeah I can see that she takes forever on one thing... and I thought the Hunchback of Notre Dame was long! *grateful* ::meev::
 

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It's definitely one of my favorite books, but its size is daunting. The ending is a bit slow too, in my opinion. You realize you have 200-250 pages left and think, "What more could possibly happen?" D:
 

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I don't understand how people can enjoy reading at least 700 pages about a bunch of stiffs that shit brick while being condescendingly told by the narrator that people who care about the poor, society, culture, humanity at all, really, are immoral and weak.

Ayn Rand's pseudo-philosophy is ridiculous and dangerous.

(Sorry, Requiem Dreams :/)

Though I am willing to say the woman knows how to turn a word.
 

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I recently read Banana Yoshimoto's "LIZARD."

and I'm almost finished with Ursula K. Le Guin's "The Dispossessed" and I love it. I also loved Ursula's "The Left Hand of Darkness."

Even thou living in Venezuela's made me very... reticent... to the crazy communism of Urras. It may sound heavenly to someone in a capitalist country but with a president who attempts (and fails miserably) to maintain some crazy-ass communist socialist economy and psychology, well, Anarres with its forests and "profiteers" strikes more my current fancy. heh.

Has anyone here read any Ursula K. Le Guin?

I really want to read her Earthsea trilogy or anything else by her, really. so if you want to send something, be my guest. >_> XD

AND I started reading Henry Scott-Stokes' "The Life and Death of Yukio Mishima." and daaaamn is it good. I love Mishima, I wish I had more of his books. (what? anyone said they wanted to buy me Forbidden Colours? really? how niceee) xD


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People are allowed to have their own opinions, haha.

I don't really think that Atlas Shrugged was saying that at all about charity, etc. now and I remember thinking the same thing the first time I read it. Being introduced to the idea that something you've always recognized as good can actually bad is a hard thing, isn't it? But I doubt that she's saying things like culture and giving to the poor are bad. That's just stupid.

The group of people that focus on charities and the arts in the book, really just use their "good" deeds to expand their influence and manipulate the public. Showing that people we would on the surface think of as good really are indeed bad, is more used for impact than anything else. It's not what they do but in the ways that they do them that make these people weak and immoral.

For anyone who might want to read the book, I'm just going to divide the people in it into two groups: the cultured socialites and the barbaric business tycoons. In Atlas Shrugged the socialites are the ones living off of the tycoons and are in fact, the selfish ones. Anything that's there for them to enjoy was the labor of another man. They're not immoral and weak because they're trying to help the poor, but because they use the political pull/money/public opinion they won through deception to cheat everybody else including other people in their own socialite group. If anyone doesn't care about humanity, it's these people.

The business tycoons are much more clear cut. "Can you do the job? Okay, you've got the job." It's because of this, Rand's little world is able to turn. Without the people of ability, everything falls to ruin. They're seen as corrupt, and greedy in the novel because they don't allow everyone a "fair" chance. But when someone has slaved away on something that took time and effort and ability, why should they give it away freely? One man has built a business out of nothing, he's not going to take some shmoe on just because he feels sorry for them, not if they're really concerned with succeeding. Someone's not going to give a free concert just because everyone can't afford it.

The whole book is about using your own ability to succeed, rather than someone else's. It's the same idea as the guy in front of me buying steak with his food stamps while he plays with his new iPhone. (actually happened :mad:)

tl;dr Ayn Rand is too smart to say something as silly as that. Even if she may sound condescending while she says it.

Edit: I just realized you may be speaking about The Fountainhead, Beserk, which I did not read. So my little rant may be for nothing, haha.
 

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The Subtle Knife by Phillip Pullman. I read these all back in middle school. but it's been a while, so I'm revisiting them as a nice distraction from my astronomy textbook. ::squee::

I was trying to read The Man in the Iron Mask not too long ago but it kept making references to The Three Musketeers so now I'm wondering if I should read that one first? I found both in the house....hm...
 

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I was trying to read The Man in the Iron Mask not too long ago but it kept making references to The Three Musketeers so now I'm wondering if I should read that one first? I found both in the house....hm...
Just watch The Man with the Iron Mask movie with Leonardo Dicaprio~
 

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It's not what they do but in the ways that they do them that make these people weak and immoral.
Ayn Rand's philosophy is that the only virture in the world is egoism (which I think would make charity and good will immoral by default). In The Fountainhead her hero Howard Roark, an architect, destroys a building he designed that was going to be used as subsidized housing for the poor because it did not follow his exact specifications. Since they didn't adhere to his vision, because they changed what he wanted, none of these people who desperately needed that housing project would have a home. It was more important that Roark's ego was satisfied. Bulll Shiiit.

And furthermore, she constantly rails against any sort of building constructed in any Revival style or any sort of European tradition because she feels that tradition and collective culture are inferior to the individual's vision. So everybody has to reinvent the wheel, apparently, otherwise they're lazy and incapable according to her. It's ludicrous. (And a bit hypocritical considering she writes her ideas in a completely traditional form: the novel)
Ayn Rand is too smart to say something as silly as that. Even if she may sound condescending while she says it.

Edit: I just realized you may be speaking about The Fountainhead, Beserk, which I did not read. So my little rant may be for nothing, haha.
Ha ha, well yeah The Fountainhead definitely is that preposterous. But frankly, the way the Corporate Fat Cats are the virtuous ones while the Philanthropists are insipid and greedy in Atlas Shrugged is ludicrous IMO too. I haven't read Atlas Shrugged, but just because she doesn't say that giving to the poor is what makes them bad doesn't change that she's clearly giving philanthropy a negative connotation.
 

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Berserk wrote:
Ayn Rand's philosophy is that the only virture in the world is egoism (which I think would make charity and good will immoral by default).
A-yup. At my college, one year some big-name Objectivist gave a talk, and he proclaimed that "Mother Teresa is a horrible person and Bill Gates is a SAINT" ::meev:: It made the school paper XD

From what I've seen, in practice most Objectivists are people who were already looking for an excuse to be a self-centered jerk of whatever degree, and found a convenient source of approval in Ayn Rand. Most of them grow out of it, some don't.
 

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Berserk wrote:
Ayn Rand's philosophy is that the only virtue in the world is egoism (which I think would make charity and good will immoral by default).
Eh, not necessarily. We're talking about two different books so drawing on examples would be pointless, but there are a few instances in Atlas Shrugged where what the egoists do can be seen as charity.

Ha ha, well yeah The Fountainhead definitely is that preposterous. But frankly, the way the Corporate Fat Cats are the virtuous ones while the Philanthropists are insipid and greedy in Atlas Shrugged is ludicrous IMO too. I haven't read Atlas Shrugged, but just because she doesn't say that giving to the poor is what makes them bad doesn't change that she's clearly giving philanthropy a negative connotation.
I'll definitely agree here and say that she paints philanthropy very negatively, but like I said I really think she uses the philanthropists for impact more than anything. (Or perhaps I've missed the point entirely.) About it being ludicrous, I dunno. It's a book, if it's written well enough it can be believable. In actuality, I really doubt any businessman is really like that.

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A-yup. At my college, one year some big-name Objectivist gave a talk, and he proclaimed that "Mother Teresa is a horrible person and Bill Gates is a SAINT" ::meev:: It made the school paper XD

Whaaaat....THAT'S ridiculous. lol I hope you guys don't think I follow this, I just enjoyed the book.
 

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I've been obsessing over "Classical Mythology", 8th ed., by Morford and Lenardon.

Ok, yes, it's a text book (soft-back and square-ish), and maybe I've been obsessing because I'm ridiculously behind about 100+ pages regardless of days and days of reading, but it's actually really well written for a text book. :| I'd suggest it to anyone interested in the archaeological, etymological, and theological aspects of greek and roman myth (predominantly greek, using poets like Ovid and Livy to fill in gaps), along with all the usual myths that one would find in a book on the subject. It's very fascinating. :)

I'm about to trot down to the library for a cuppa joe and a pastry and see if I can't get through another 50-some pages before class tomorrow~
 

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It's good that you enjoyed the book, Requiem--just don't study its author too much because she'll ruin it for you.
 

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I couldn't get through either Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead but I'm pretty well versed in Objectivism and I do agree with a lot of it. Requiem's assessment of Atlas Shrugged seems correct based on what I know about it. The problem with Objectivism though is that Ayn Rand really does go overboard with some things and the good parts of it seem to be frequently misunderstood, misrepresented and misused by her champions and detractors alike.

Also, Objectivists are just fucking insufferable even when they're right.

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Has anyone here read any Ursula K. Le Guin?

I really want to read her Earthsea trilogy or anything else by her, really. so if you want to send something, be my guest. >_> XD

I read that trilogy twice when I was in, I think, middle school. That was about 90 years ago, so I don't recall much about it other than that I loved it.
 

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Just finished reading Epik High's "Map the Soul" book that housed the album by the same name. A pretty interesting read i must say, it really opened my eyes to to depth behind the group.

The only downside is that it can only be ordered from www.mapthesoul.com so it's audience it's going to be attracting is a little bit low, nonetheless I'd recommend it to anyone who needs tips to overcome a writers block when it comes to writing music as well as finding yourself musically.

I'm wondering what to buy next though, anyone got any recommendations for modern books based around the Video game industry or another niche of journalism?

P.S. No fashion, glamor or churnalism (celeb news journalism) recommendations please ::meev::
 

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I'm wondering what to buy next though, anyone got any recommendations for modern books based around the Video game industry or another niche of journalism?
The only good book on the game industry I know of is David Sheff's history of Nintendo, "Game Over".
I haven't read an edition with the new updated chapters so I can't vouch for those. The old one cut off in the 16-bit days I think.

EDIT: oh yeah, I also want to mention Family Computer 1983-1994 as another good book about games. It's in both Japanese and English, and covers pretty much everything having to do with the Famicom in Japan (otherwise known as the NES). It's more about the games themselves than the industry or Nintendo Corporation though. It seems to be out-of-print now but there's at least one guy selling it on Ebay.
 
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