What dir en grey said on a interview about Moi dix Mois/Mana

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Umm.........whaaaaaaaaaaat?? o_______O;;.......
What an odd topic to start......

 

[Nocturne]

Well, I dont know. Most likely they dont like Mana and Moi Dix Mois. I can understand that. Its not everyone'es type of music, and Mana does come off as cheesy at times. But I do love his gothic/visual kei style.

Im suprised since since when they talked about Manson, they said they dont like the music he makes, and Kyo personally doesnt like him. Where they kind of just blew this off, and decided not to get into it, which is respectable. They could have said much more and tried to trash them.

If they would have did that, then I would have lost respect since they were once visual kei, and I thought when they were visual kei, instead of coming off as in your face, they came off as rather comical, especially Kyo. He wasnt intimidating in the least in his visual kei days. But they made some decent music then too. But still, they were part of it before, they shouldnt bash any visual bands style unless they really dont like that specific style, but they shouldnt bash the whole genre. You dont see Klaha or Gackt doing that. Gackt still has visual elements.

Dir en Grey concerts seem pretty straight forward now, so do L'arc en Ciel's. Gackts shows are more grandiose and visual. Not like MM or MdM, but still somewhat visual.

About calling L'arc visual, I dont see where they got that. I dont blame them for being made about getting their music genre wrong, but walking off stage is childish, he could have just corrected them. They never looked like visual kei to me.

 

[Camuflagem]

Gackt still has visual elements.

Dir en Grey concerts seem pretty straight forward now, so do L'arc en Ciel's. Gackts shows are more grandiose and visual. Not like MM or MdM, but still somewhat visual.

Finally, someone with same thoughts about Gackt as me. Besides, Gackt said he was proud of Malice Mizer.

About calling L'arc visual, I dont see where they got that. I dont blame them for being made about getting their music genre wrong, but walking off stage is childish, he could have just corrected them. They never looked like visual kei to me.

Actualy, L'arc was pretty visual in their roots. Tetsu got agry with the interviwers in this TV show because he told them before the show to not call the band "VK", but they did and kept making fun of their hairs...so Tetsu got really angry and left the stage. but after he apologized NHK about this. I think it was a very nice attitude of Tetsu...he had the courage to admit that he did not do the best decision at that time, and apologized. Not many artists would have the same courage, imo.

 

[navate]

Im suprised since since when they talked about Manson, they said they dont like the music he makes, and Kyo personally doesnt like him. Where they kind of just blew this off, and decided not to get into it, which is respectable. They could have said much more and tried to trash them.

Are you referring to that english video thing where Kyop says he doesn't like Manson, or did they talk more about him in this interview? I can't read it...

Anyway, if you're referring to the comments made in the video interview, they probably were so harsh about denouncing Manson because people compare Deg to him. Kyo said that people always ask them if they liked Marylin Manson, as though they must like him because people draw similarities between them often, as though Deg were influneced by him. So I took that comment as Deg saying, "No, we don't like MM and he is not an inspiration to us and we do not want to be associated with him; we are tired of people thinking we are like him because we're trying to do our own thing," The comment with Mana, though... no one compared their music to Mana, no insinuation was made that they were somehow connected or playing off each other, only that both were popular acts. Deg really has no connection to Mana, so why should they comment on it?

 

[shinzo]

Good point there Navate..
Basically to echo that and add my thoughts..

Deg's "no comment" could meanlot of things here. Prehaps they dont agree with Mana's style (music and fashion) or prehaps they just dont like classical music.
Or see Mana as a total arse dressed up like a woman...

But thenagain their free to express thier thoughts and the fat that they didnt decide to comment says that they dont have anything great to say about Mana but wont potentially want to loose some fans who corss over between the two by slandering the band or Mana.

In terms of being diplomatic i can congratulate DeG.. before i clicked on the interview i was expecting somethign along the lines of. "Mana is nothing but a control freak/sample musican/weak gutarist/rides behind his band mates" (Neither of these views i have btw) but tbh i was actualy relived and a bit disapointed in their comment.. I was kinda expecting a slandering but deg were smart and put their money at the forefront.
If you look at it this way and see that they chose to talk more openly about Manson seeing as he is a bigger artist and that going flat out and saying your not a fan of his music wont loose you any fans. However, since alot of Jrock fans tend to have a sense of respect/love for Mana a too harsh comment hear could have cost them a fair proportion of thier fanbase.

Just a thought..
And btw, Camuflagem, i understand why you were disgusted.

 

[Orunitier]

I can't believe you lost all respect for DEG over two comments. But, whatever... It seems like the webzine is trying to propagate a level of dislike from Diru to M10M with the "giggling" comment. It just seems unnecessary and childish. Especially not mentioning who laughed. DEG gave a respectful answer. Kyo has most definitely said more abrasive things in the past than what you have read into, essentially, in one comment by Die.

Haruhiko has stated a few times that he dislikes VK, do you not like EOD? He is also "attacking/belittling" Mana in a way, maybe moreso than Dir en grey because he has closer ties to him.

 

[ambient]

I think they would say no comment because they probably would not want what they said to be taken out of context. A reporter or interview person can take a statement and make it their own. If you know what I mean. The press may interpret something the wrong way.

 

[Camuflagem]

And btw, Camuflagem, i understand why you were disgusted.

thank you.

I can't believe you lost all respect for DEG over two comments. But, whatever... It seems like the webzine is trying to propagate a level of dislike from Diru to M10M with the "giggling" comment. It just seems unnecessary and childish. Especially not mentioning who laughed. DEG gave a respectful answer. Kyo has most definitely said more abrasive things in the past than what you have read into, essentially, in one comment by Die.

Haruhiko has stated a few times that he dislikes VK, do you not like EOD? He is also "attacking/belittling" Mana in a way, maybe moreso than Dir en grey because he has closer ties to him.

Actualy, Dir En Grey has been losting my respect since sometime ago, this was the final strike.
Yes. I am an EoD fan, and I think Haruhiko is totaly wrong to bash VK bands. But he did not say anything in particular to any band. And i don't think he would be attacking Mana, because he worked once with him - so i can assume he has at least some kind of respect for Mana. i think he is talking about the "your avarage VK band", like these Dir En Grey clones that we see appearing at the scene all the time.

 

[rizumu]

Well...Haruhiko's pronouncement that "VK isn't music"...and Kozi saying "I'm definitely not VK!" while he most certainly is featured in VK magazines and what, is touring with D'espairsray now? That bugs me infinitely more than DeG refusing to comment over MdM and any interpretable disrespect in that. So I dunno. I just lost a whole lot more respect for EoD over that one.

But this thread is about DeG...and I still don't get how "no comment" is worse than them outright saying they don't like Mana or anything. And I disagree with them worrying about "losing their fanbase" or any such thing. I just think they thought it was a question that didn't have much to do with them and brushed it aside.

 

[Mortis]

I sometimes wonder how (especially Western) fans can be horribly distasteful by inquiring and asking questions regarding other artists - their peers, rather.

It's just not what you could describe as polite.

I'm just saying that after you create a body of artwork, painstakingly present it to others to evaluate (receiving feedback is not the easiest thing in the world) and then finally come around to be asked some questions about that - and the interviewer then, instead of concentrating on what you feel is important, asks you questions related to some other "celebrity" you hold no deeper interest in, completely insignificant to your life, and not in any way relating to your artwork, how are you going to respond to the question?

While "No comment" is arguably (as we have seen) not the most respectful way of presenting your feelings over to the general crowd in such a moment, what else could you really say? "I hold no interest in discussing that" or "Let us not bring that up" or "Can you ask another question?".

Just because two artists create similar music in a similar genre or have similar starting points for their careers doesn't mean they have any respect or interest towards each other whatsoever, possibly not even in a business sense. Why would there be?

It's easy to read uninterest as disrespect, isn't it?

 

[Geisha]

It seems like the webzine is trying to propagate a level of dislike from Diru to M10M with the "giggling" comment. It just seems unnecessary and childish. Especially not mentioning who laughed. DEG gave a respectful answer.

The thought had occurred to me as well. In my experience the fans of a certain music genre (especially if it is a small subculture) tend to be far more intolerant than the musicians themselves. Perhaps the interviewer brought up the comparison because he/she was hoping for some really scathing comments and if so I'm glad he/she was disappointed. The last thing the J-Rock scene needs is more mud slinging.

I'm surprised that people focus so much on DEG's comments on VK in this context. I don't see M10M as particularly VK and even Mana himself usually refers to M10M as Rock (and sometimes Metal or Goth).

 

[Nephtys]

It seems like the webzine is trying to propagate a level of dislike from Diru to M10M with the "giggling" comment. It just seems unnecessary and childish. Especially not mentioning who laughed. DEG gave a respectful answer.

The thought had occurred to me as well. In my experience the fans of a certain music genre (especially if it is a small subculture) tend to be far more intolerant than the musicians themselves. Perhaps the interviewer brought up the comparison because he/she was hoping for some really scathing comments and if so I'm glad he/she was disappointed. The last thing the J-Rock scene needs is more mud slinging.

the interview is full of these comments about the reactions in the room during the interview, I don't think this one has a specific meaning. I don't think the interviewer meant to make fun of Moi Dix Mois either since he seems to be in the team who organised M10M's concert in France... I guess he just wanted to know what opinion DEG could have about such a different group - and he got no answer. Why getting so upset about all this ? ^^;

 

[lady_toast]

I agree with some of you here(kinda lazy to name names), but might as well add my two cents here

Well, I think that Die gave out "no comment" for an answer.. it's better than saying something offensive.. -_-" I'm not making myself clear, eh, but my point is, at least Deg came out respectable/civil/whatwasthatwordagain? e.e;.

Anyway, if Deg doesn't like Mana/M10M, big deal, it's not gonna be the end of the world.. if they don't like Mana, well.. ehh.. it's their choice/opinion, not ours.. =/

And yeah, I agree with Jessi.. XD hahaha, maybe Deg's getting fed up with all those VK questions? XDDD

I'm starting to sound incoherent. My apologies. e.e;

 

[Formless]

I'm curious.. since we seem to understand why you'd be insulted Camuflagem, do you understand why some of us think that it wasn't meant to be anything disrespectful?

 

[screamingslave]

Have any of you seen the BBC japanorama documentary ? well, there's a part about music in wich Die and Kyo are interviewed and talk about marilyn manson and whatever... and at one point they also say they hate the gothic lolita style, so, yeah maybe they are not the biggest Mana fans, but who cares ? what they like or don't like is up to them! they still make great music and that's what counts.

 

[Camuflagem]

Well...Haruhiko's pronouncement that "VK isn't music"...and Kozi saying "I'm definitely not VK!" while he most certainly is featured in VK magazines and what, is touring with D'espairsray now? That bugs me infinitely more than DeG refusing to comment over MdM and any interpretable disrespect in that. So I dunno. I just lost a whole lot more respect for EoD over that one.

I said i don't think Haru is correct with such attitude. I respect him as a musician very much, but i think he is too radical sometimes, and i think saying "VK isn't music" is VERY wrong, specially when he has a partner that was part of one of the biggest bands from VK.
but Haru is not completly wrong either, because like 90% of VK is trash. Although this is true, i don't find it nice to go around saying VK is crap and the musicians are mediocre. He could say something like "Eod is a gothic band; please, we are not interested in Visual Kei" or something of the sort.
About the Közi comment, well... Közi solo is not equal EoD, for me they have distinct directions and i think that while Kozi is with Eod he takes a different posture than what he has with his solo stuff. And i am OK with this, because Kozi does not go around bashing people's work and he says "i am ok if it is VK or Goth, as long as i like the music i am making", this setence has to be one of the best things a musician would say. What matters is that their music is good. That must be why Deg's music isn't good these days, imo, they worry too much about bashing things.

I don't know why everyone only focus on the "no comment", i am talking about the whole thing. and i repeat again, please read the Electric eel shock interview >_<

I don't think the interviewer meant to make fun of Moi Dix Mois either since he seems to be in the team who organised M10M's concert in France... I guess he just wanted to know what opinion DEG could have about such a different group - and he got no answer. Why getting so upset about all this ? ^^;

I got the feeling the interviewer was malicious on this question. And I am not sad at all. ^^;;

I'm surprised that people focus so much on DEG's comments on VK in this context. I don't see M10M as particularly VK and even Mana himself usually refers to M10M as Rock (and sometimes Metal or Goth).

Because DIRU has issues with VK... that's why. I see M10M as a mix of gothic metal and VK, besides mana does not deny being part of VK.

Anyway, if Deg doesn't like Mana/M10M, big deal, it's not gonna be the end of the world.. if they don't like Mana, well.. ehh.. it's their choice/opinion, not ours.. =/

Yes, no big deal. What i am trying to say is that you can say you don't like someone else's work without being ironic, sarcastic, making fun and such things that i find disrespectful. I didn't like the way they behaved on the interview; but i don't care if they like mana or not. Is it too much to ask people to be civilized? :\

I'm curious.. since we seem to understand why you'd be insulted Camuflagem, do you understand why some of us think that it wasn't meant to be anything disrespectful?

I don't think many people understood. But as i said before (please, read my old posts) I do understand the view of the others, i just find mine more plausible.

 

[faith]

Maybe their official pencil sharpener has been poisoning them with treacherous anti-Mana propaganda? It's sad, but it doth happen on occasion

 

[Elec]

What's this Electric Eel interview you keep mentioning and then never linking/explaining?

 

[Monophobia]

Well...Haruhiko's pronouncement that "VK isn't music"...and Kozi saying "I'm definitely not VK!" while he most certainly is featured in VK magazines and what, is touring with D'espairsray now? That bugs me infinitely more than DeG refusing to comment over MdM and any interpretable disrespect in that.

I thought the same too, that is was odd of Kozi to be touring with D'espairsRay. But then again, Dray have always been hesitant towards questions about VK in interviews. They would say things like "inevitably we were influenced by it" and stuff after a long pause of silence. And nowadays they seem to be dressing really simply so I don't even know if they consider themselves VK anymore, or if they ever did.

About the Deg thing though, I think it was brought up in that old interview (I think it was British), and Kyo and Die (?) kind of poked fun at Lolita, so in that regard I think they would kind of dislike Mana maybe, for that reason...who knows. To jump to any conclusions is kind of weird though, considering they didn't say anything particularily offensive IMO.

EDIT - But I think I can see where Camuflagem is coming from. The fact that Deg was once VK and now has completely changed...it's not just that but they seem to be like they want to forget about their days of being VK and somehow want to refuse to believe it. I think this may be true from them not really playing their older songs anymore and also how they DID perform these songs in the Blitz 5 Days live...(Cage for example). They may want to forget those days but they still happened so I do disrespect Deg if this IS the case, but I don't know for sure...it just seems that way to me.

 

[faith]

Like I said, there's this undercurrent of thought among the "gothy" people and "adults" that VK is for squealing teens.

It is, mostly, actually.

I'm suppose to be a cultural relativist by definition of my profession, so I can't have any person opinions on the matter...sides, Kaya still likes vis kei *laughs*...but I do think it's stupid to judge it anyway. There's just a lot of emphasis on fitting a category in Japan. You know?

If Haruhiko didn't say that, other goths might not see him as goth. So it doesn't matter if he believes it or not, he's kinda got to say it.