I like the title. I'm not a huge fan of Coleridge, but Kubla Khan is an interesting poem. I wonder if Mana meant to draw a reference to the poem or the actual place in China... Hopefully he'll discusses where the name came from in an interview. It also makes me wonder if Dixandu is going to be another conceptual album like Nocturnal Opera was.
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navate wrote:
I think he just likes Olivia Newton John movies..
i'm hoping i'll grow to like this title like i did with dix infernal...
I don't actually think it's that bad of an album title, but.. it's already too late for Mana. I already know once it's released, no matter how good it is, there's going to be an army of villagers with pitchforks at Mana's house.
I'm actually not worried a bit about this next release. He's had some time to think it over, and from what I gather, has more time to produce it. Really, if anything, he's only gotten better with the guitaring when it comes to his current style.
People always rag on Lamentful Miss and Beyond the Gate, but really. Compare it to things like.. Dix Infernal or Nocturnal Opera where there was this overpowering synth, and in the background there was this simple, rather useless guitar riff that could barely be heard. Give the man some credit! He's sure enough gotten better.
Back on topic though.. Dixandu has a nice sound to it. It's cheesy but not SUPER cheesy. Really, though, one thing I could do without on the next album is an oversynthed voice. I also hope to hear at least one legit black metal song. Just one! I know Seth can do it (Vizard on Paris Bootleg) and I know Mana can (Gloire blah blah and Shadows Temple) because now he's discovered a more aggressive sound, and maybe now he can put the tremelo picking of previous releases to better use.
I'm actually not worried a bit about this next release. He's had some time to think it over, and from what I gather, has more time to produce it. Really, if anything, he's only gotten better with the guitaring when it comes to his current style.
People always rag on Lamentful Miss and Beyond the Gate, but really. Compare it to things like.. Dix Infernal or Nocturnal Opera where there was this overpowering synth, and in the background there was this simple, rather useless guitar riff that could barely be heard. Give the man some credit! He's sure enough gotten better.
Back on topic though.. Dixandu has a nice sound to it. It's cheesy but not SUPER cheesy. Really, though, one thing I could do without on the next album is an oversynthed voice. I also hope to hear at least one legit black metal song. Just one! I know Seth can do it (Vizard on Paris Bootleg) and I know Mana can (Gloire blah blah and Shadows Temple) because now he's discovered a more aggressive sound, and maybe now he can put the tremelo picking of previous releases to better use.
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*claps* well said.
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Elec wrote:
Agreed. Accusing me of "having it out for you" because I explained to you that there's guitars with more extravagant lights and because I found one statement of yours about American music ignorant sounds like an excuse to dodge the question at hand. You have yet to justify how all American music is stupid. Also, I wasn't the first one to call you out on it, in case you missed that.
@Kyu: I will not "shut up" because I take offense to someone categorizing all American music as stupid without any just reason for it. It's one thing to have an argument over nothing, but it's an unjustified statement. I can't make a new thread called "Why does PrettyPuricura think American music is stupid?" because that would just be rude, and there's more than one person involved so PMs can't be applied.
On Topic:.. DIXANADU.. isn't such a great title but.. that has no effect on how the music may or may not be. So let's just.. not judge it on its name alone.
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I don't have to do anything. Perhaps if you were a bit nicer, then I would consider it.
Than take it to AIM, or just be an adult about things and leave it be.Kazuo wrote:
Pretty Picura edited her post to clarify she was being sarcastic. Maybe you don't think her joke was funny, but that is no excuse to jump on her and start snarking at each other.
Every thread I've read today has some kind of stupid, off-topic argument in it. This is the last thing I expect after what happened last week with people so concerned about making the atmosphere here more pleasant. But so far all I'm seeing is more belligerence.
Have some tact. ALL of you. And get the hell back on topic. Enough is enough.
Didn't prettypuricura say "If we liked some stupid American artist we'd be alright" ? She didn't say "Artists" so...how does that mean that she said all American Artists are stupid?
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I don't ever remember saying "ALL American music". If you looked at the original post that I went back and edited, you'll see what type of American music I meant. If you like that type of music, that's fine. I don't mean to make fun of anyones taste in music and I have no disrespect for people or the artists they like.
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PrettyPuricura wrote:
Threads are supposed to progress. The original post was almost three pages back, so why would I go look at that particular post? I figured another one would be posted. And yes, that IS a just reason. All you had to say was that, and I'd be like "Oh that makes sense then" instead of originally posting a generalized statement which can group a good majority of American music into one. Just because I would like a reason for something, doesn't make it malicious or an attack. So I apologize if you felt that way, but I felt it deserved a reason. I didn't see your edited post and that's my fault.
I hope everything's sorted now, but if either of you want to continue the conversation take it to PM. Threads shouldn't be derailed in the spirit of resolved personal misunderstandings (especially misunderstanding several pages back); that's the whole point of having a PM system.
Now back on topic, for the second time.
Now back on topic, for the second time.
I'm with you on that one. Beyond the Gate was rushed, with a new vocalist and no real drummer or bassist. Even so I enjoyed it. Lamentful Miss was the first time the whole new lineup came together... I'm still iffy about LM as a single but I think it'll work well on the album (to me, that was the problem with LM--it's a good song, but it didn't stand well by itself).Miz wrote:
Now that Mana's had time to settle himself into working with the new lineup, I think he's calmed down and isn't in a rush to get the album out... I'm looking forward to it.
When I first read the title, an eyebrow shot to the ceiling... but I don't know. It's kind of a neat name now that I've mulled it over in my head.
Personally, though I'm not completely satisfied with the recording quality in the last couple of releases, Lamentful Miss was waaay better in terms of recording than Beyond the Gate--the guitars actually have energy on that release! Mana has never really disappointed me composition-wise; the new song I heard on the WGT bootleg sounded like it would be great; the recording quality is at least acceptable, and the recordings have a lot of energy compared to previous releases.
So: Acceptable recording quality, more energy, good compositions (as always), and a memorable/kind-of-cool name = cool new album.
Personally, though I'm not completely satisfied with the recording quality in the last couple of releases, Lamentful Miss was waaay better in terms of recording than Beyond the Gate--the guitars actually have energy on that release! Mana has never really disappointed me composition-wise; the new song I heard on the WGT bootleg sounded like it would be great; the recording quality is at least acceptable, and the recordings have a lot of energy compared to previous releases.
So: Acceptable recording quality, more energy, good compositions (as always), and a memorable/kind-of-cool name = cool new album.
Yeah, I seriously want them to re-record Eternally Beyond. The last minute and a half is the most moving thing MdM's ever done. It needs an actual ending though...and non-robot drums....and discernable bass. xD I think what I like most about LM is it's like "BASS! I CAN HEAR YOU!" The bassline at ~3:05 is the best part of the song. Even if it's not stellar single material, musically, lyrically, and production-wise, it's the best thing the new line-up has put out. I remember the LM interviewer was like "You sound like a real band!" So that gives me hope for the new album.navate wrote:I'm with you on that one. Beyond the Gate was rushed, with a new vocalist and no real drummer or bassist. Even so I enjoyed it. Lamentful Miss was the first time the whole new lineup came together... I'm still iffy about LM as a single but I think it'll work well on the album (to me, that was the problem with LM--it's a good song, but it didn't stand well by itself).Miz wrote:
Now that Mana's had time to settle himself into working with the new lineup, I think he's calmed down and isn't in a rush to get the album out... I'm looking forward to it.
Yes, I am forgetting that Perish re-make ever happened.
I feel the same way about Eternally Beyond... the climax at the end is just spectacular, despite how much the robot drums and bad leveling of Seth's voice hurt the song as a whole. I'd love to see that re-recorded with the full band. It's my favorite half-a-song. ::kisaki::rizumu wrote:
I'd like to hear that entire album redone (I understand that it would be impractical and never happen, but I'd like to); they're probably all the best Moi dix Mois compositions and they have the worst recording.
Deflower is brilliant. 3-part counterpoint? Trills? By far Mana's best use of harpsichord ever. If only the recording was decent, it would outshine his most moving pieces (Shiroi and Saikai) and it would rock.
Deflower is brilliant. 3-part counterpoint? Trills? By far Mana's best use of harpsichord ever. If only the recording was decent, it would outshine his most moving pieces (Shiroi and Saikai) and it would rock.
Deflower's production doesn't bother me... but it's also my favorite Moi dix Mois song and I know very little about production so my opinion likely counts for nothing. 
It's impractical to wish for the whole album to be re-recorded, but they're probably going to be a live DVD of the new line-up soon so at least we'll have quality live tracks.
It's impractical to wish for the whole album to be re-recorded, but they're probably going to be a live DVD of the new line-up soon so at least we'll have quality live tracks.
The Live bootleg I heard of Deflower made me wish that they would re-record it as the drums do sound a tad weak and canned but by far that and Vain is the best recorded song on the album (Maybe Unmoved too but it reminds me too much of a broken drum machine stuck on 11 :O)
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