It's sad really. While I can understand that EoD are aiming at the Goth audience, I don't suppose at this stage they can actually afford to be so selective and disrespectful even, of their fans. It's like telling the VK fans 'go away, we don't want you'... so this leads to those people who feel hurt, to tell the others about the "band that didn't want them even though they liked it"...which then leads to EoD loosing their good opinion even in the Goth world... Plus, I can't really imagine any band, goth or not, doing something like that. If you're a band, except of making good music, you are working on your opinion...often times with bad opinion you don't get the respect of fans, without fans, you don't become popular... The question is, why are they playing then? it's like EoD are sabotaging their whole career with such attitude.
If they want away the VK fans and think cancelling lives is the way... Then they should also cancel their lives in Germany...
IMO Astan is not exactly an example of people practicing VK-discrimination... -_-;
Really I understand their point. But they are doing it wrong wrong wrong. Saying this now sounds stupid if they don't cancel other gigs for the same reasons.
IMO Astan is not exactly an example of people practicing VK-discrimination... -_-;
Really I understand their point. But they are doing it wrong wrong wrong. Saying this now sounds stupid if they don't cancel other gigs for the same reasons.
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So why not also request that fans of The Zolge not attend as well? I mean, it's a different band than EOD. Only wanting fans of your current band is a really bad business practice and insulting to fans. Can you try to appear a little more elitist?
I can understand not wanting to be lumped into a VK category, but this is also Europe, not Japan. I would assume that some people who are attending might like some VK, but they probably also like other styles of music. Maybe even goth :p
I don't really care for EOD, but I would go to see Kozi. I wouldn't be screaming about MM or cosplaying Mana. I might even leave liking EOD
So, is there a certain way to identify VK fans? How can you tell the difference? To alienate a whole group of people who support you is just not nice... I hope neither Kozi nor Ash came up with this idea or it will lower my opinions of them >_<
I can understand not wanting to be lumped into a VK category, but this is also Europe, not Japan. I would assume that some people who are attending might like some VK, but they probably also like other styles of music. Maybe even goth :p
I don't really care for EOD, but I would go to see Kozi. I wouldn't be screaming about MM or cosplaying Mana. I might even leave liking EOD
So, is there a certain way to identify VK fans? How can you tell the difference? To alienate a whole group of people who support you is just not nice... I hope neither Kozi nor Ash came up with this idea or it will lower my opinions of them >_<.... Apparently, the message is hard to understand for you...
EoD don't want a VK or Jmusic promotion for their lives. But they didn't say they don't want VK fans at their shows! Of course they would prefer people who came to their actual music, but they aren't closed to others!
But it seems you find it funnier to criticize than to try to understand.
EoD don't want a VK or Jmusic promotion for their lives. But they didn't say they don't want VK fans at their shows! Of course they would prefer people who came to their actual music, but they aren't closed to others!
But it seems you find it funnier to criticize than to try to understand.
If EOD cancel their gig in France because of this VK issue then French goths won't be able to see them either. I can't imagine that they are going to be happy about it. This is not the way to go about selecting your target audience. All it is going to do is give them a reputation for being difficult. I can understand their point of view but they should have thought about this much earlier, i.e. before affiliating themselves closely with a promoter like Astan that basically sells them as a VK band in Germany. Their argument just isn't credible anymore.
I agree 100%, Geisha. Even though I understand why they'd be upset..."Beggars can't be choosers".
...Not that Eve of Destiny are beggars...I don't mean to say they're *begging* to perform in Europe or anything...but it's obvious they'd like to...and sometimes you just got to compromise to get what you want.
...Not that Eve of Destiny are beggars...I don't mean to say they're *begging* to perform in Europe or anything...but it's obvious they'd like to...and sometimes you just got to compromise to get what you want.
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Lavinia_san wrote:
Well, it was a few days since I read the original post. I should have re-read it.
But still, to cancel shows because you were promoted by a group with a certain association is rather picky. It punishes fans and makes EOD look bad. If they (the promoters) were not promoting them as a VK band or as a Japanese novelty, I really don't see an issue big enough to cancel shows. Instead, let the shows go and next time make sure there's nothing linking them to VK promotion wise.
I wasn't criticizing them personally, I don't know who canceled the shows. I don't think it's a good move though for EOD or fans.
And I know that VK fans won't be turned away at the door, but whether they like it or not, Kozi is still associated with it.
That really sucks. I like EoD, too. I wish they'd be a little bit more reasonable, though.
I wonder if they'd ever come to America. Probably NOT. They'd only be able to go to anime conventions, probably. I imagine they'd HATE that, too. That REALLY sucks. They could get pretty poplular if they came to some conventions, too. I dunno... Maybe if they were to be promoted as a Goth band...
I actually view them as more of a Gothic Electronica band. They use SO much synth. I love 'em. I just wish they had more bass, BUT, anyways, they need to learn to cater to ANY and ALL of their fans. With the TINY crowds they perform to and the fact that they HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN A SINGLE/ALBUM/MINI-ALBUM OUT YET, they REAAAAAAAAALY need to think about performing to as many fans as possible... Speaking of no REAL releases, it SUCKS to have to download it ALL or buy a magazine that you CAN'T EVEN READ to hear ONE song. -_- I wish someone could put out a live bootleg. I saw some live video floating around on Soul Seek. It was all short. I think the longest one was 56 seconds long, in black and white, and with ATROCIOUS sound quality. It was funny, though. Közi was headbanging.
So cute...
Oh, I apologize if I can't discuss live bootlegs and such. I think it's okay (not sure), but I don't want to be adjudicated by the -scape- staff.
I wonder if they'd ever come to America. Probably NOT. They'd only be able to go to anime conventions, probably. I imagine they'd HATE that, too. That REALLY sucks. They could get pretty poplular if they came to some conventions, too. I dunno... Maybe if they were to be promoted as a Goth band...
I actually view them as more of a Gothic Electronica band. They use SO much synth. I love 'em. I just wish they had more bass, BUT, anyways, they need to learn to cater to ANY and ALL of their fans. With the TINY crowds they perform to and the fact that they HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN A SINGLE/ALBUM/MINI-ALBUM OUT YET, they REAAAAAAAAALY need to think about performing to as many fans as possible... Speaking of no REAL releases, it SUCKS to have to download it ALL or buy a magazine that you CAN'T EVEN READ to hear ONE song. -_- I wish someone could put out a live bootleg. I saw some live video floating around on Soul Seek. It was all short. I think the longest one was 56 seconds long, in black and white, and with ATROCIOUS sound quality. It was funny, though. Közi was headbanging.
So cute...Oh, I apologize if I can't discuss live bootlegs and such. I think it's okay (not sure), but I don't want to be adjudicated by the -scape- staff.
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I'm going to WARSAW!!!!
If nothig bad happens.... fingers crossed!
I'm going to WARSAW!!!!
If nothig bad happens.... fingers crossed!
Wow, at last someone actually understood what the whole thing is about! Most people seem to misinterpret the whole situation. Yeah, EoD wants to go for the goth audience, but I they never said they do not want people who like vk (or whatever else) on their gigs, they do not want to deny Közi's past with MM, they do not say they aren't Japanese. What they do not want is their gigs being promoted nearly exlusively as a Japanese event. I guess they would like to tour the way bands like Guitar Wolf, Melt-Banana or Acid Mothers Temple do. They want their music being their main selling point. Ehh, whatever.Lavinia_san wrote:
heh, then we gonna meet there I guess. there will be a lot of people going to the Vie gig from here (budapest) ^^Alita wrote:They are coming to Vienna~
I'm soooooooo happy
(hmm.. i haven't posted anything here in ages.)
Has anyone seen the Astan "I.NO.RI" live compilation video ? It was kinda neat, but I think they should've used more songs instead of LOOPING the SAME SONG OVER AND OVER... Haruhiko's facial expressions remind me of Marilyn Manson. It REALLY makes me wanna see them live, but I don't have money to fly out of the country... Still, does anyone think they'd EVER consider coming to the U.S. ? I think they could get a lot of well-deserved attention at anime conventions... But, they're "Gothic."
If I had the money to fly them out, I know a few club owners that'd be happy to have them. BUT...i don't so...-_-"
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Case wrote:
Well, I think concerts are just fine at cons. They're practically the ONLY place Japanese bands can perform at in the U.S. Even though EoD is more Euro sounding, they ARE a Japanese band, and most people wouldn't even TRY them if they DIDN'T come to some conventions. And, not all of the people that go to cons are super huge dorks. Honestly, it's EoD's best shot at coming to America, but I don't know if Haruhiko would EVER consider it...
i completely disagree with you about EOD at cons...if they played in say, NYC, with just a little bit of promotion they could play easily...just because a band is japanese doesn't mean people wont go see them
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Well, maybe people will see them, but they could receive A LOT more attention at conventions. Also, they could easily perform at MANY different venues all in ONE tour. It would also be a nice way to promote them.
Why does everyone hate anime conventions?
I think it would be attention they definitely wouldn't want. Especially since they cancelled the Paris gig since it was associated with all those "Japanese Fad" sites and magazines. And what else would scream "Japanese Fad" more than an anime convention?
Disappointing but true.
Disappointing but true.
As I said in the M10M petition thread:
Geisha wrote: