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Regardless, I don't think shaming is the best way to deter people from using substances. Educating has always been the superior method.
People are plenty educated though. They're making an informed decision to make certain sacrifices and take certain risks to improve their school performance. The problem is that the more people make that decision, the more YOUR decision becomes to either do the same or fall behind.
Similarly I don't think Mr. Universe competitors are on steroids because they lack knowledge about them. It's just a situation where the lure of the reward outweighs the risk for some people.

If shaming for this kind of behavior is okay, then it must also be okay to shame people for how poorly they eat, how little they work out, how much sex they have, how little they study, how little they try to talk to girls , etc. etc.
Nope. The difference is that what people eat, how many girls they sleep with, etc. is none of my business. Realistically, none of us will probably ever live in a situation where the amount of food someone eats or the number of girls they sleep with takes away from the supply available for others. (But if we were on a desert island with only one coconut tree, you bet I'd be shaming overeaters too) But in school, you're in a direct competition with everyone else for class rank, etc in order to get into a good college or grad program or wtvr, which in turn impacts what kind of living you can make. And yes, this is because the American education/employment system is ridiculous, but that's what we have to deal with. So if you're in school and someone decides to change the "rules of engagement" for this competition, they've made it your business too. You've got the right - and I'd say the responsibility - to push back. That's your only form of input into the unwritten rules of engagement.

As for the people who genuinely need to take Adderall or whatever else, I'm fine with it, but that's not really what we're talking about, or at least I'm not.
 

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flowersofnight wrote:
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Regardless, I don't think shaming is the best way to deter people from using substances. Educating has always been the superior method.
People are plenty educated though. They're making an informed decision to make certain sacrifices and take certain risks to improve their school performance. The problem is that the more people make that decision, the more YOUR decision becomes to either do the same or fall behind.
Similarly I don't think Mr. Universe competitors are on steroids because they lack knowledge about them. It's just a situation where the lure of the reward outweighs the risk for some people.

If shaming for this kind of behavior is okay, then it must also be okay to shame people for how poorly they eat, how little they work out, how much sex they have, how little they study, how little they try to talk to girls , etc. etc.
Nope. The difference is that what people eat, how many girls they sleep with, etc. is none of my business. Realistically, none of us will probably ever live in a situation where the amount of food someone eats or the number of girls they sleep with takes away from the supply available for others. (But if we were on a desert island with only one coconut tree, you bet I'd be shaming overeaters too) But in school, you're in a direct competition with everyone else for class rank, etc in order to get into a good college or grad program or wtvr, which in turn impacts what kind of living you can make. And yes, this is because the American education/employment system is ridiculous, but that's what we have to deal with. So if you're in school and someone decides to change the "rules of engagement" for this competition, they've made it your business too. You've got the right - and I'd say the responsibility - to push back. That's your only form of input into the unwritten rules of engagement.

As for the people who genuinely need to take Adderall or whatever else, I'm fine with it, but that's not really what we're talking about, or at least I'm not.
I totally agree with everything you said.
Performance enhancing drugs are plain cheating, and the cheated certainly have a legitimate right to protest!
 

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Awwwww, I just finished Fifty Shades Freed. After all this stuff, Ana finds out she's pregnant and Christian flips out (And I mean FLIPS OUT and leaves and gets drunk) because he doesn't think he'll be a good father at all. But he's really mean and callous and she (and I XD) wonders how he could be that way. I'm so glad she finally told him off and to stop acting like some teenager. She was so cool and I'm glad she stood her ground the next morning, hmph.

“Well, you were right. I do choose this defenseless baby over you. That’s what any loving parent does. That’s what your mother should have done for you.
And I am sorry that she didn’t—because we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now if she had. But you’re an adult now—you need to grow up and smell the fucking coffee and stop behaving like a petulant adolescent.
“You may not be happy about this baby. I’m not ecstatic, given the timing and your less-than-lukewarm reception to this new life, this flesh of your flesh. But you can either do this with me, or I’ll do it on my own. The decision is yours.
“While you wallow in your pit of self-pity and self-loathing, I’m going to work. And when I return I’ll be moving my belongings to the room upstairs.”

After kidnapping, ransom, emergency rooms, gun fighting, making up, confessions, emergency C-section, etc, Ana and Christian are finally happy together with their two year old son in their new home and she's pregnant again with a girl. I'm glad Christian's finally come around and is significantly better.
I have to admit, the cutest part was when Ana went inside their son's bedroom and Christian was reading out loud, "I am the Lorax and I speak for the trees..."
AWWWWW. Seriously!! ::squee::

And so ends the tale of Ana and Christian ::batsu::

Hoo boy.
 

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emergency C-section, etc
Oh yeah I heard about that, he had to use his vampire teeth to do it. That was pretty messed up.
You would know, vampire.

(it took place at a hospital, gawd)

Seriously though, The Lorax was like the best part of the ending ::batsu:: SO CUTE.
I can't believe before that he was like, "And you're making money in these difficult times," Christian adds, his voice reflecting his pride. "But... I like you barefoot and pregnant and in my kitchen."
OMG~ XD

It's actually not done yet, there are a couple of shorter chapters with some of Christian's early childhood memories and one of what Christian did after he met Ana that first day. I feel kind of bad reading them, even though they're not unhappy or anything.
I just realized that the PDF version is different from the published one, the PDF doesn't even have these chapters and the writing is different. Weird.

*secretly hoping for a sequel trilogy*
I guess this means I'll have to do serious stuffs again :(
 

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Ugh not that Shades of Grey book again. It's like, I dunno, saying you love you pet or something. Bleeahhhh.

Anyway, the root of the problem with school drugs, in my opinion, is the SCHOOL, not the children. If anyone should be shamed for it,it's the school. If someone were to start publishing stuff on how badly a school overworks their students and how much kids have to pay for a decent education, and comparing one to the other, I can bet you anything schools would prohibit the stuff.


Got back from Bubble Tea and Fireworks. Good times :)
Now I'm going to have to go running to work it off tomorrow. Damn, I gained weight.
 

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Ugh not that Shades of Grey book again. It's like, I dunno, saying you love you pet or something. Bleeahhhh.
OMG XD You're awesome.

Anyway, the root of the problem with school drugs, in my opinion, is the SCHOOL, not the children. If anyone should be shamed for it,it's the school. If someone were to start publishing stuff on how badly a school overworks their students and how much kids have to pay for a decent education, and comparing one to the other, I can bet you anything schools would prohibit the stuff.
I don't know about the overworking part, but I agree on the price of education.
I don't know about the overworking part because a lot of people I know just don't care, and for some classes, the assignments are only reading. Yet some people can't even keep up with that. I've been there, mostly because I can get lazy (but I never let myself get so far behind), but I wouldn't ever say I've been overworked. XD

When it comes to the studying part I think a lot of it has to do with the student since the university can't *force* anyone to study, it's not like they're the student's parents. It's up to the student if they want to stay in college or not, and if they're not willing to study and get decent grades then I'm not sure why they're there and wasting their time and parents' money. The point of universities is to get an education and to advance your career (unfortunately XD), and if you don't want to put in the work, then why are you there? It depends on the university, but still, you need to put in the work no matter what level you're in.

There are other factors to feeling like you're being overworked, like maybe you're depressed or feeling homesick, but I'm just talking about the regular students I see.

EDIT: Or maybe it's not so much the work, but the pressure on you to succeed. I think that's a better word for it and that makes more sense to me.

Got back from Bubble Tea and Fireworks. Good times :)
Now I'm going to have to go running to work it off tomorrow. Damn, I gained weight.
I actually don't like Bubble Tea, I don't know why. I know they come in different flavors, but each time I've had them I felt really weird and uncomfortable.
 

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I actually don't like Bubble Tea, I don't know why. I know they come in different flavors, but each time I've had them I felt really weird and uncomfortable.
You can order it without the boba if you don't like it.
 

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flowersofnight wrote:
Iskanderia wrote:
Regardless, I don't think shaming is the best way to deter people from using substances. Educating has always been the superior method.
People are plenty educated though. They're making an informed decision to make certain sacrifices and take certain risks to improve their school performance. The problem is that the more people make that decision, the more YOUR decision becomes to either do the same or fall behind.
Similarly I don't think Mr. Universe competitors are on steroids because they lack knowledge about them. It's just a situation where the lure of the reward outweighs the risk for some people.

If shaming for this kind of behavior is okay, then it must also be okay to shame people for how poorly they eat, how little they work out, how much sex they have, how little they study, how little they try to talk to girls , etc. etc.
Nope. The difference is that what people eat, how many girls they sleep with, etc. is none of my business. Realistically, none of us will probably ever live in a situation where the amount of food someone eats or the number of girls they sleep with takes away from the supply available for others. (But if we were on a desert island with only one coconut tree, you bet I'd be shaming overeaters too) But in school, you're in a direct competition with everyone else for class rank, etc in order to get into a good college or grad program or wtvr, which in turn impacts what kind of living you can make. And yes, this is because the American education/employment system is ridiculous, but that's what we have to deal with. So if you're in school and someone decides to change the "rules of engagement" for this competition, they've made it your business too. You've got the right - and I'd say the responsibility - to push back. That's your only form of input into the unwritten rules of engagement.

As for the people who genuinely need to take Adderall or whatever else, I'm fine with it, but that's not really what we're talking about, or at least I'm not.

Okay. Fair enough.
 

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a local hotel/casino is showing a different classic film every night for the summer in its theatre. went to go see clockwork orange with my entire family :|
What did you think of it? ::gaku::

i'm the only one in my family who had never seen it before, my dad and younger sister really like it (it was my sister who wanted the whole family to go ::kisaki:: ) i just felt like i wasted 2 hours of my life watching it ::meev:: i get the message about free will and whatnot but the movie doesn't work for me because i am so utterly unsympathetic towards the main character and therefore have zero emotional investment in his plight.
 

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eMiNaTiC wrote:
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a local hotel/casino is showing a different classic film every night for the summer in its theatre. went to go see clockwork orange with my entire family :|
What did you think of it? ::gaku::

i'm the only one in my family who had never seen it before, my dad and younger sister really like it (it was my sister who wanted the whole family to go ::kisaki:: ) i just felt like i wasted 2 hours of my life watching it ::meev:: i get the message about free will and whatnot but the movie doesn't work for me because i am so utterly unsympathetic towards the main character and therefore have zero emotional investment in his plight.
I agree with not having any symphaty with the maincharacter, I feel that's kind of important in a movie. I also felt like the ending completly ruined the whole theme of the movie, I mean, he didn't learn anything from the therapy, he just wanted to get back to the same old habits X'D
 

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There's another chapter in the book that reconciles everything at the end. it was cut out of the movie so i can't really say how much of a difference it makes.
 

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Speaking of books, I'm reading/editing a rough draft of a book and ew, I hate the word "gestation" when talking about pregnancy. It makes me feel like an animal, or something. "Girth" as well, I hate that word. Ew *crosses out*. (ew, "growing girth.")

I'm so glad this was a first draft though, it's already been edited once (so I have markings all over it already), and one of the things struck through was the phrase "suck dick next time." Seriously? How can we have something like that in here? ::meev:: Jeebus.
 

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I'm so glad this was a first draft though, it's already been edited once (so I have markings all over it already), and one of the things struck through was the phrase "suck dick next time." Seriously? How can we have something like that in here? ::meev:: Jeebus.
Wat? :lol:
 

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Yeah, I think it was just an attempt to be funny, or something. The lady who wrote it is nearby so I can't stare in horror for too long. ::gaku::

http://www.snugabell.com/
Aren't these weird?? I feel so weird looking at them. They're like... creepy. (wait for the Audrey Hepburn looking model). I donno, maybe they're useful, but still. They look like freaky medical devices XD I can't imagine whipping it out while at work.

I was trying to think of some websites I know, and I was like, "Oh yeah, Persephone Books! They published Leonard Woolf even though he's a man, and that's really rare." He was so ahead of his time, what a guy *sigh*
So now I'm looking at Persephone Magazine and their pregnancy section is called "A Womb of One's Own" (get it get it) Oh Virginia Woolf~ XD

OK, enough pregnancy/women's stuff, but it comes with the job ::meev::
 

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[http://www.snugabell.com/
Aren't these weird?? I feel so weird looking at them. They're like... creepy. (wait for the Audrey Hepburn looking model). I donno, maybe they're useful, but still. They look like freaky medical devices XD I can't imagine whipping it out while at work.
I can't believe this! I breast-fed my daughter, and NEVER would I have used such a device! Jesus, we're women, not cows! :mad:
 

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Those things creep me out. Like REALLY creep me out.
Just like at my birthday party when I was really young a woman breastfed her baby. Creepy creeeepy....


That new pic of Mana on his blog is just hot.
I feel really weird thinking it but it is.
 

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MissUMana wrote:
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[http://www.snugabell.com/
Aren't these weird?? I feel so weird looking at them. They're like... creepy. (wait for the Audrey Hepburn looking model). I donno, maybe they're useful, but still. They look like freaky medical devices XD I can't imagine whipping it out while at work.
I can't believe this! I breast-fed my daughter, and NEVER would I have used such a device! Jesus, we're women, not cows! :mad:
Yeah, it just seems really... weird. I don't think breast feeding is weird at all, it's perfectly natural and I don't understand why people think women are freaks for doing it, but just having these tubes and bottles hang is just SO WEIRD. Where do those tubes go anyway? They look like they go down to her pants.

(bottles and tubes not included with purchase)

I don't know, they give me uncomfy feelings ::batsu::
 

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MissUMana wrote:
PureElegance wrote:
[http://www.snugabell.com/
Aren't these weird?? I feel so weird looking at them. They're like... creepy. (wait for the Audrey Hepburn looking model). I donno, maybe they're useful, but still. They look like freaky medical devices XD I can't imagine whipping it out while at work.
I can't believe this! I breast-fed my daughter, and NEVER would I have used such a device! Jesus, we're women, not cows! :mad:

Pumping is pretty common here. It's often used by nursing mothers who work, so that they can bottle their milk and it can be fed to the baby by whoever watches them while they're at work, or by women who produce too much milk, to avoid the infection that that can cause. It's not a big deal. I've never seen those weird hands-free bras though.
 
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