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Mph...well, harsh but...

Dada use to give out his real name that no one with half a brain thinks was his real name and address to his fans. The Japanese ones all thought it was his real name though, because they don't have brains. And now he's kind of disappeared off the face of the earth. Again >_<

As open as he might have been, if you know someone's real name it'd be REALLY easy to track them down. So even HE didn't do that.

Although I think maybe you are overreacting a bit...the types of gigs EOD plays at would have a tendency to make him semi-stalkable to someone with a lot of money, non? So if someone were that insane I think they would've made his life hell already.
 

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As an organiser of an EOD gig I will tell you that keeping Kozi out of sight is a VERY hard thing to do and there are indeed people who stalk him. It's not a joke. And I'm sure it's gotten worse now.

There were two Japanese fans in particular who spent the entire day at the airport on the day they guessed EOD would be arriving with suitcases (empty ones) so when he got off the plane and sat down for a cigarette they rushed over pretending to have also just arrived and would not leave him alone until he had given them all his snacks and EOD flyers and ignored them for a good 20 minutes while they were standing there over his head. And they didn't get the message until he had to get up. Cute? Maybe. I didn't think so.

I didn't think so cause those two fans had the honour of having drinks with us the night before and us not being used to this sort of thing said that no EOD is not here yet. So they knew they were getting there the next day. Those two same fans did the best they could to get a hold of the hotel info as well, which we were a bit more careful to hide after we realised what they were up to (they didn’t ask for it, they tried to get a sneak peak at our papers). And then they had the nerve to do all of the above right in front of us at the airport. Those two same fans refused to exit the venue at the end of the night after they had gotten their autographs and pictures while we asked them repeatedly and kept finding excuses to come back by leaving things behind. Good thing that back door was not easy to find really.

And of course as for everyone else - I had to play bodyguard that night (and considering my built this was quite a task) cause all the fans were trying to break into the backstage after the live. This was at a gig where fans in general behaved (if you consider stealing Haruhiko's necklace behaving). And I had personal ‘harassment’ from other people trying to get info on EOD those days by trying to somehow get close to me. Who? Me. It’s ridiculous. People go to great lengths when they think they’re dealing with a ‘star’. You mean to tell me that if his address was out they wouldn’t run there in an instant?

I have heard of worse since. He does get stalked. And if his hotel info was out I bet you anything, there would be a crowd of people outside it in a second. It's not only a matter of wanting to stalk someone in order to rape them, harassment is bad enough. Fans don't have half a brain most of the time to know when they're being a pain. And like I said there's the odd 1% who don't know when they're being stalkers. If I were Kozi I wouldn’t be risking it.
 

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I know more than one moderately popular artist who has had stalkers. and I'm talking about people who draw and paint and post it online, not some charismatic performing artist. It's not uncommon at all. I don't think anyone is out of line to speak out against giving out or trying to find personal information about celebreties. Even if Kei's intentions are innocent, there's no telling who else the information might circulate too.
 

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I think I know the fans you're talking about... I mean, it does seem a bit creepy that people are following Kozi (not EoD, that's for sure) around the world... I mean, to every gig? Even if you're rich and have nothing else to do, that's a bit weird. And I'm sure it doesn't endear them to Kozi at all...
 

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If I were rich and had nothing to do, I could see me following a band on a world tour or something ;)

But as amasanin stated, that is not *all* they were doing. And that is fucked up.

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So this means no sitting outside the ID Japan offices with a stun gun and bodybag then?

*squirms* aw fooey.
 

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Yeah, there are some really terrible people at their gigs.. there is one or two story like that from nearly every gig EoD did.

Seeing how some people were acting in Paris or in the German gigs makes me kinda proud of the audience we had here.. o_O/ *hugs the local goth scene xD*
 

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Keiyoru wrote:
Also, I had a confidential discussion with a friend of mine about the first picture. That IS his friend they worked together (...)

Can't help but wonder why, since the whatever discussion you had, was *confidential* you now post the info at this Forum...
I'd think if something is confidential and you somehow obtain the confidential information, you would at least keep it to yourself. Not that this particular case is so much private as an address or something like it would be, but I hope in whatever project you are doing, you are not planning on disclosing every confidential info about Kozi you get...
 

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Case wrote:
Seeing how some people were acting in Paris or in the German gigs makes me kinda proud of the audience we had here.. o_O/ *hugs the local goth scene xD*

I 've found the audience itself in Paris very good, not really disrespectful fans while the gig. But it's true some people should think before acting like they have done after the gig... In particular that stupid girl who finds it intelligent to kiss Közi...
 

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Lavinia_san wrote:
Case wrote:
Seeing how some people were acting in Paris or in the German gigs makes me kinda proud of the audience we had here.. o_O/ *hugs the local goth scene xD*

I 've found the audience itself in Paris very good, not really disrespectful fans while the gig. But it's true some people should think before acting like they have done after the gig... In particular that stupid girl who finds it intelligent to kiss Közi...

Yeah, during the gig the audience was very good (except that terrible brat with the pink hair and white loli costume that was either screaming or looking hella bored in the middle of the first row), but what some people did after the show was umm.. ermm.. too much? @_@
 

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I haven't been around a lot recently since I was moving, neither had much online time but now everything is settled down and I think I can finally take part with a conclusion since I saw where this headed.
#HeiligeHexe# wrote:
Keiyoru wrote:
Also, I had a confidential discussion with a friend of mine about the first picture. That IS his friend they worked together (...)

Can't help but wonder why, since the whatever discussion you had, was *confidential* you now post the info at this Forum...
I'd think if something is confidential and you somehow obtain the confidential information, you would at least keep it to yourself. Not that this particular case is so much private as an address or something like it would be, but I hope in whatever project you are doing, you are not planning on disclosing every confidential info about Kozi you get...
First, no, I'm not. Of course I learned a lot of other things I didn't mention and I will not. My point was, by mentioning ONLY what I needed it would interlace with basic in-depth information people here know to compile a broader view. I let a few things out as a direction, nothing more or less. Bearing in mind a lot is known here, I thought giving a few hints to compile the idea won't be bad. Apparently, it was. Fortunately, I won't need to ask around here for these issues anymore. The rest is basic and known anyway so I guess, if I get that stuck with something, the resources on the net would be enough to finish it.
And second, to note about the aim of the project. I'm not going to stalk, kidnap, rape, etc. Közi nor let out information I am not authorized to. I know it's childish, stupid, and worse of all - fangirlish, so it really doesn't suit me even though if I wanted to there's nothing hidden for me anymore. But I'm not going to do it because I respect Közi's rights, either his own privacy stament or civil law. I may bare information but I'm not using it for anything, first, for his own sake and privacy and second, I don't want to end up with law interference. So, I gather this information for other reason, which is personal but NOT stalking. To me, he isn't a celebrity. Not a musician either. To me, he's an artist. Yes, I do have personal interest in him and I admit I'm aiming at a relation of some sort. But it's neither my primary aim, nor I think it will end up like the pink pinklets in pinkland. I think I'm too old for such hopes and wishes. It began with a theory of mine, based on observations which in time, somehow managed to reach some special people resulting in broadening the observations and expanding the theory, leading to incentives of taking action. I have an offer for Közi which I think would be very unappropriate to state officialy. And it's not what you're thinking, I'm not planning on making him fall in love with me or any other bullsh*t of the sort. I've explained my means and reasons where I had to and since people support me and go on with this, I guess I do have a point after all. Otherwise, why would they tell me things if they don't trust me I'm not going to resort to "making his life a hell". I see I've made a mistake by letting it be official. It's personal, between me, and him in a way, so I suppose I should apologize and keep it away from forums. Yes, to an extend it is exciting but I guess it should stay in the underground where it initially came from.

And with this I conclude this matter. It's something already taken to an underground profile and I'm neither planning to nor willing to mention it anymore. I'll try to keep up with ordinary fandom and keep this work on my own account. If I see I can't do it properly, I'll leave myself. It's something of human politics I am far from even planning on explaining.
 

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Oh god i'm terribly confused...So this is personal between you and Kozi yet you're asking around for info related to him? umm...if it was personal between you both then you would be asking him for the information and not us at scape o_O;;; Anyway how are we to know you won't use the info for such a thing unless we knew you in person we could get a better understanding, without actually-REALLY knowing your intentions I can't help but be 100% against what you're doing. Even if you have good intentions I still think it's retarded...maybe you're going through some sort of crisis ._.; Hell I love JRockers too but i'm not going to dismiss the fact that they're musicians because what they do is wonderful and it's what got me into them in the first place. Another thing is, since you keep mentioning how "personal" this is, then um...ya, keep it personal o-o;;;
 

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Some things are unappropriate to ask straight in the eyes. Others, I just missed the chance to. It's fine by me, people have the right of opinions, besides revolutions were always a subject of scepticism, doubts and such. As for the approach... I can't say the same because it wasn't Közi's music which got me into him first.
 

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This has been QUITE an interesting thread, ne? The thing about stalkers is HORRIBLY creepy. Poor Közi-san. I'd hate to have those kinds of "fans" if/when I ever got famous. YUCK. I actually enjoy reading up on people's bios and seeing just how they got famous, but why the hell would anyone want to stalk them? They are no more interesting than the next non-celebrity. So, WTF? We're all just people--human beings, and our social status is completely irrelevant to us as people. Ughh... And, like LejuN, I would follow a good rock band around the world as they toured, but I would keep my distance and only try to make contact with the band members maybe once or twice. And, by the way, Katharsis rocks! ::dix::
 

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you need a psychiatrist's help. seriously.
 

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Case wrote:
Yeah, during the gig the audience was very good (except that terrible brat with the pink hair and white loli costume that was either screaming or looking hella bored in the middle of the first row), but what some people did after the show was umm.. ermm.. too much? @_@

lol this brat has apparently traumatized a lot of people... >___<
 

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It was not directed at you.

Well I have to say I am *very* happy to hear none of this will be part of the forum anymore. Glad you could sort out whatever it is you were doing by such complicated means and will be happy to not have any of it here again.
 

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Hopefully it was directed towards all of us, including Keiyoru. She may be nuts, but we're just encouraging it by paying attention.
 
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