If They Could Remake a Song From Their Malice Mizer Days....

[Iskanderia]

BoB is definitely a Klaha song--I don't think Seth or Juka could pull it off. And without the BoB costumes?? It would make me sad to see Moi dix Mois play it.

I guess I have nothing more to contribute to this thread, so I'll just let you guys carry on after this

But I think Malice Mizer's discography is sacred. It shouldn't be tampered with. Or at least don't fix what ain't broke

You know that a remake doesn't cause the original to cease to exist, right?

 

[Lem]

I also forgot all about Gensou Rakuen. I really like that song but I'm always forgetting about it. Good song but I guess forgettable lol.

Yeah, I love that pause just because of how it ends with the screaming dueling guitars.

Eh, that's just a pet peeve of mine when it comes to music. That and excessively long introduction to a song (Example: Random talking that is cool once or twice then gets annoying).

But that solo is wicked, if that song was to be remade, the solo will have to stay intact or I'll hate it forever.

 

[Berserk]

You know that a remake doesn't cause the original to cease to exist, right?

It ceases to be the "one and only" though. I don't want there to be two Beast of Bloods when the first one is everything it should be. I'm happy with two NPS NGS, but now that they've nailed it why do it over a third time? The Malice Mizer canon is just one of those rare things in this world that is really, really good and I don't think remakes are going to make it any better.

But no, I really didn't know that. I thought the world worked like peek-a-boo. My ball rolled behind the couch and now it's gone forever!

 

[Iskanderia]

lol

No, I agree that any remakes probably wouldn't be better than the original but it's fun to imagine what they might sound like.

 

[Amatsu]

I'd like to see Beyond the Gate basically get completely rerecorded XD.

This so hard.

I wouldn't mind seeing what Kozi would do with some Malice Mizer stuff, but I really dislike the idea of mdm rapingremaking Malice Mizer songs.
I'd only like Mana involved if it was a collaboration with Kozi (& Yu~ki).

I can understand why some of you would be completely against it, I agree that Malice Mizer is perfect how it is, but I mean, the idea is interesting and would be probably fun for the members as musicians. And I wouldn't necessarily consider remakes like this a part of Malice Mizer. It's been too long for anything to be truly a part of that, imo.

 

[Demanufacturer]

>> Gackt makes a remake of Le Ciel

Hell no, Le Ciel is perfect.


As for a rerecording of Beyond teh Gate, i'm ok with that. It really needs some real drums and a real bass player. The rest (vox, guitars) are just fine.

 

[voixdinferno]

...and...
if someone tell this topic to Mana/Kozi/Yu-Ki in one of the event that have to come?
Is not a good idea?
what scape opine?
ahmmm?

Edit:

A remake of a song from bara no seido with more solo-kozi flavor would be really cool as well - something like hakai no hate.

this song has black metal aura, for this reason, I think it fit in MdM style...
Imagine singing it with a death growl! that would be grat!

 

[navate]

You know that a remake doesn't cause the original to cease to exist, right?

It ceases to be the "one and only" though. I don't want there to be two Beast of Bloods when the first one is everything it should be. I'm happy with two NPS NGS, but now that they've nailed it why do it over a third time? The Malice Mizer canon is just one of those rare things in this world that is really, really good and I don't think remakes are going to make it any better.

I disagree with this thought in general--that once a song is done well, it can't be done well any other way.

In terms of Malice Mizer, EGE umi no sasagu comes to mind. Tetsu's version -- excellent, classic. But Gackt did a great job too. Klaha also rocked his version of Kioku no sora (what I wouldn't give for a professional recorded version of that). I think the three vocalists of MM are so different that any "layover song" from different eras is already in the category of an outside band remake. They had to make the songs their own.


I remember when the LUNA SEA memorial/cover album came out. I was kind about it at first because LUNA SEA is one of those bands that I consider perfect. I don't dislike or even feel neutral about a single song in their whole catalog: I love it all. I didn't want anyone touching their songs even if it was a tribute album. When the album came out, sure, half the remakes were pretty shoddy, but a few of them turned out to be really awesome. They didn't take away from the originals; they stood on their own. Hell, I even think MUCC's remake of Deja vu is a little better than LUNA SEA's original! And one of the covers I was really dreading, Rosier by High & Mighty Color (a song I adore, by a band I can't stand? PANIC.) ended up being really, really good. It is arguable that Rosier is such a great, catchy song that it's impossible to mess up, but I think a few of Malice Mizer's song are in that Awesome Category too. To the point I'd be interested in hearing different takes on them.


That said though, I don't like obvious choices. I'm sure Moi dix Mois could rock Beast of Blood or Gensou Rakuen or half of Bara no Seido, but that's because they're Mana-esque to begin with (I see this Malice Mizer period as a transition into M10M, personally). It wouldn't really be a cover imo because I doubt he'd change much. I'd be more interested in seeing him or Kozi tackle older songs. To make a good cover, you have to put a new spin on it (assuming it ain't broke. I do however heartily agree with a re-recording of Beyond the Gate. That WAS broke. )

 

[Monophobia]

I think Speed of Desperate re-done by Kozi would be pretty cool.

 

[Demanufacturer]

I think Speed of Desperate re-done by Kozi would be pretty cool.

actually, speed of desperate is almost a metal song, it has semi-distorted guitars en pretty fast drums. In that sence i would rather have MDM redo it than mr.Weirdo Közi

 

[Geisha]

As for MDM, I'd like a remake to be from the tetsu-era. A totally MDM-fied version of "baroque" would be nice. (But think of eegee like deflower+xanadu!)

Yeah, that could be cool. Or even just rerecord. I really like the music from that era, but I find Tetsu's vocals hard to bear and I think the style and atmosphere would suit M10M well.

I'm not a fan of remakes, remixes and covers though, so other than that I don't think I would want to hear any MM songs redone, especially not by Kozi or Tetsu. I can't imagine Kozi singing Gackt's vocal parts either. Klaha and Kamijo are more seasoned vocalists than Kozi and they both struggled.

 

[Amatsu]

(I see this Malice Mizer period as a transition into M10M, personally)

I've always felt that way too. Maybe not necessarily in those words, but you can definitely see the shift in Mana's style musically and it gave a big hint to what mdm was going to be.

I do however heartily agree with a re-recording of Beyond the Gate. That WAS broke.

I want Beyond the Gate rerecorded because while I think the songs have major potential, they were executed very poorly...
Even the production was a disappointment.

 

[VKHistorian]

actually, speed of desperate is almost a metal song, it has semi-distorted guitars en pretty fast drums. In that sence i would rather have MDM redo it than mr.Weirdo Közi

"Mr. Weirdo"


Anyways...

My first reaction was "Nothing from the Tetsu era for either of them". Tetsu's vocals are very, very different to Seth's and Kozi's, and the way the songs were written reflects that. Seth and Kozi would struggle to hit the notes, I think. I know Gackt certainly did.

However, if Eve of Destiny resumed activity and for some reason decided to cover a Malice Mizer song (unlikely, I know, but come with me here), then they could get away with a Tetsu song. If you listen to Haruhiko in the Zolge then you'll see that his vox and Tetsu's are of the same sort of family.

Kozi solo- I was thinking perhaps a slightly sped-up version of S-conscious? It seems to fit his style OK, both in terms of style and vocals.

Not so sure about M10M to be honest. Tetsu era is- as I've said, out of bounds; Gackt era doesn't fit them at all and most of the Klaha era was inches from being M10M anyway, so there'd be no point. The only thing I can think of is Beast of Blood, but even that I'm not sure about. I could see them covering an Eve of Destiny song though- possibly Nervous and Innocence- which is odd seeing as the two groups sound nothing alike. It just seems to work in my mind, somehow.

 

[Berserk]

I disagree with this thought in general--that once a song is done well, it can't be done well any other way.

I really don't feel this way. I'm one of the biggest supporters of the remakes Mana has done with Moi dix Mois, I love the Gackt version of EGE (and other Tetsu songs), and I like all the B-sides and etc. of their singles. I'm right with you on the Klaha version of Kioku to Sora, though I don't think a CD recording would benefit it.

Besides that, half the reason I like GaGa so much is her ability to completely rearrange her songs seemingly on a whim and always spice things up. Her acoustic versions blow my mind, and she usually completely changes the songs when she transfers them to the piano.

Really, I love variations and different versions of songs. Maybe I just have hang ups when it comes to messing with Malice Mizer's catalog because it's become such an immortal thing--I've listened to it for years, and it's always been alive, but always exactly the same; it's always exactly what it was and it always will be. So it's just the idea of opening up Malice Mizer's perectly-preserved world and messing with it that gets to me.

I like the idea of Kozi remaking solo-Kozi songs, and Mana remaking Moi dix Mois or Kanon songs, but Malice Mizer has been completed in my mind. It's just supposed to be done.

Though I'd be willing to do my own covers of Malice Mizer songs XD. I've already been playing songs like Temptation of Widow on my guitar. I like the idea of reviving such low-quality recordings and giving them new life. Seraph is interesting in the way it's played on the keyboard even though the chords are specific to the guitar. I've always in the back of my mind wanted to deconstruct their songs to understand them better and see how it might change the way I look at them. Of course I've learned the different parts to Shiroi and Bel Air too, because how can you not want to play their best guitar songs? GaGa has kind of inspired me to experiment more with the piano. I think a song like Mayonaka would lend itself to singing it at the piano, so that could be interesting.

 

[Haus der Lüge]

If Mana or Kozi covered a Malice Mizer song, releasing it under the Moi dix Mois/Kozi name, it wouldn't become part of the Malice Mizer canon. So it's not really going to tarnish their legacy.

 

[flowersofnight]

Mana remaking Moi dix Mois or Kanon songs

I'd love to see M10M do some Kanon songs

I don't think I'd like to see Kozi do any Malice Mizer remakes; the one he did do, Color Me Blood Red, was kind of subpar. His new style's just too different to make it work, I think.

Know what would be amusing, actually? Hearing Klaha do some Malice Mizer covers. Yeah, that's right, in his solo style

 

[Monophobia]

actually, speed of desperate is almost a metal song, it has semi-distorted guitars en pretty fast drums. In that sence i would rather have MDM redo it than mr.Weirdo Közi

I don't know. I thought about it but I'm sure Seth would ruin it for me. Vocally I think Kozi could make it really interesting.

 

[Demanufacturer]

Well, since Közi and Mana are already big friends again, i dont see why they should both work on it together
MDM doing the music part, Kozi on vocals (poor seth XD)

 

[Geisha]

I don't think Kozi's voice is strong enough to sing heavy rock or metal. :/

 

[Mademoiselle Folie]

I don't think Kozi's voice is strong enough to sing heavy rock or metal. :/

well, i do remember loki'n roll

i think this question is really really hard but interesting...

from early Malice:

Sadness by Mana
Lafflesia by Közi
Speed of Desperate by Közi

Memoire

Miwaku no Rooma by Mana
Baroque by Mana
Gogo no Sasayaki (Retromantix Club Mix) lol! by Közi


Uruwashiki kamen no shotaijo by Mana

Ma cherie... by Mana
Ma cherie by Közi

Color me blood red by Közi

Voyage

Itsuwari no musette by Közi
Madrigal by Közi
Transylvania by Mana
Nps Ngs by Mana
Shi no butou by Mana

Merveilles

S-CONSCIOUS by Közi (Közi's vocals as well :3)
Syunikiss by Yu~ki ... hopefully
Brise by Mana
Ju te veux by Közi
Au revoir by Mana
Gekka no yasoukyoku by Közi

Bara no Seidou

none... except for Chinurareta Kajitsu maybe... by any of them.

late MM

Gardenia by Közi
Beast of Blood by Mana
Houkai Jokyuku by Mana, (since this song reminds me to Közi solo too much it wouldn't make sense for me if Közi remake it)
Gensou Rakuen by Mana

about the remaking Kanon songs, the other day i put Malice Gackt's voice instead of Kanon's in my mind and i felt my heart was token... <3